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    "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    Hello,
    I've read a lot about how to use "the" with proper nouns. However, the rules omit a lot of cases, so I'm often confused, especially when it comes to the foreign names of some buildings.

    For example:
    (1) My house is near BigC supermarket.
    (2) My house is near BigC.
    (3) My house is near Lotte department store.
    (4) My house is near Lotte.

    Do I need to add "the" to any of the sentence above? Supposed that the listener knows what supermarket/store I meant, and there're not many BigCs and Lottes around (so I don't add "a").

    Another example:
    (5) I live near Swedish embassy.

    I'm confused about both issues: whether I should add "the" and whether it should be "Sweden" or "Swedish". Of course things will be easier if I use "the Embassy of Sweden", but I don't want to do that.

    P/S: I've read these links about definite article:
    https://learnenglish.britishcouncil....finite-article
    https://www.englishclub.com/grammar/nouns-proper.htm
    https://english.stackexchange.com/qu...but-not-others

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    Re: "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tvu732 View Post
    Hello,
    I've read a lot about how to use "the" with proper nouns. However, the rules omit a lot of cases, so I'm often confused, especially when it comes to the foreign names of some buildings.

    For example:
    (1) My house is near BigC supermarket.
    (2) My house is near BigC.
    (3) My house is near Lotte department store.
    (4) My house is near Lotte.

    Do I need to add "the" to any of the sentence above? Supposed that the listener knows what supermarket/store I meant, and there're not many BigCs and Lottes around (so I don't add "a").

    I would put "a" or "the" before all of them.

    Another example:
    (5) I live near Swedish embassy.

    I'm confused about both issues: whether I should add "the" and whether it should be "Sweden" or "Swedish".

    Say "Swedish." It tells us what kind of embassy it is. And I again, I would put an "a" or "the" before it.

    Of course things will be easier if I use "the Embassy of Sweden", but I don't want to do that.

    ​You're right. That would be very unnatural.

    P/S: I've read these links about definite article:
    https://learnenglish.britishcouncil....finite-article
    https://www.englishclub.com/grammar/nouns-proper.htm
    https://english.stackexchange.com/qu...but-not-others
    Whether to use "a" or "the" depends on context. If you give us more complete conversations, we can help you figure out which to use.
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    Re: "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    Only the Swedish embassy is really possible. There's only one embassy in each country, so assuming your interlocutor knows what country you live in, you must be speaking of a specific embassy.
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    Re: "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    Whether to use "a" or "the" depends on context. If you give us more complete conversations, we can help you figure out which to use.
    In my examples 1-4, the listeners knows what BigC/Lotte I'm talking about, so there's no need to use "a" here. What I'm confused it whether I should add "the" or not. In many cases of proper nouns (buildings' names), we don't need to add "the".

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    Re: "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Only the Swedish embassy is really possible. There's only one embassy in each country, so assuming your interlocutor knows what country you live in, you must be speaking of a specific embassy.
    Thanks, that what I thought. Do you have any opinion about examples 1-4?

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    Re: "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    When the supermarket's name looks like a family name, people around here tend to use the possessive: I live near Kroger's. Many supermarkets have possessive names like Tom's or Dot's which also don't allow an article. Otherwise, we use the article appropriate to the situation: My house is near the IGA; We used to live near a Safeway.
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    Re: "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tvu732 View Post
    In my examples 1-4, the listeners knows what BigC/Lotte I'm talking about, so there's no need to use "a" here. What I'm confused it whether I should add "the" or not. In many cases of proper nouns (buildings' names), we don't need to add "the".
    As I said, you probably want an article for both examples. If there's it's clear that there's just one particular store, it's the. Likewise, if it's clear that you're just talking about one particular, use the.

    GS's example above is right, however. Sometimes it's better to not use an article for a store name - if the article you're dropping is the: I live near Shop & Save.

    Thanks, GS!
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    Re: "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Only the Swedish embassy is really possible. There's only one embassy in each country, so assuming your interlocutor knows what country you live in, you must be speaking of a specific embassy.
    Depending on your understanding/definition of "embassy", that's not necessarily true. Click here to see, for example, how many British embassy-type buildings/offices there are in India.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    There is only one High Commission (the British equivalent of an embassy in Commonwealth countries.
    True, but many people don't know the difference between an embassy, a High Commission and a consulate.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: "the" + supermarket/store name? and the embassy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    [/I]Unfortunately, we are not consistent:

    We go to (no article) church, college, hospital, jail, prison, school, university, work.
    We do the same in American English except for one: we go to the hospital.
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