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    French words

    I'd like to know if native English speakers pronounce words with French roots Frenchly or Englishly.
    For example: bourbon, croissant, entrepreneur, etc.

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    Re: French words

    "Frenchly" and "Englishly" aren't words.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: French words

    It depends on the word, but often it's somewhere in between.

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    Re: French words

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    "Frenchly" and "Englishly" aren't words.
    According to Wiktionary and other dictionaries, these words do exist.
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Frenchly
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Englishly

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    Re: French words

    There are more than 100 dictionaries at www.onelook.com. 'Frenchly' is noted in only two, 'Englishly' in only four. Forget them.

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    Re: French words

    The pronunciation partly depends on whether the speaker has any knowledge of the pronunciation in the original language. I speak French and Spanish, and some Italian and Greek, so I'm aware of how the words are pronounced in the original. I certainly pronounce "croissant" the French way. "Entrepreneur" is a little different. For a start, I've been told in the past that the word isn't even used in French! Also, it's used in English so often that it generally just has an English pronunciation.

    Foods are good examples of such words where it's easy to tell if someone knows how it "should" be pronounced. In Italian restaurants, I have to bite my tongue whenever I hear anyone order "spaghetti boll-uh-nays" (rather than "bol-o-nyaiz-ay") or "bruh-shetter" (rather than "bruce-ketter"). In a restaurant recently, I heard a diner at an adjoining table baffle the waiter by asking for "guh-no-chee". The waiter asked him three times what he wanted before eventually asking him to point to it on the menu. Only then did he realise the diner wanted gnocchi (pronounced "nyokee").

    (Sorry, I don't do phonetic symbols!)
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: French words

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post


    (Sorry, I don't do phonetic symbols!)
    Don't apologise for that, ems. If you did, I wouldn't be able to make head or tail of it.

    This thread could run and run.

    One of my pet hates is the usual mispronunciation of lingerie. While commendably attempting the non-English nasal first syllable, most people pronounce the last as ray rather than ree.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 03-Feb-2018 at 12:21.

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    Re: French words

    That drives me mad too! I hear it pronounced "long-zhuh-ray" all the time. ("Zhuh" is my attempt at the French "je".) It should be "lan-zhuh-ree".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: French words

    Quote Originally Posted by Do228 View Post
    I'd like to know if native English speakers pronounce words with French roots Frenchly or Englishly.
    For example: bourbon, croissant, entrepreneur, etc.
    I am a bilingual Canadian. We hear a good deal of French in English-speaking Canada, and therefore our pronunciation of your examples tends to sound more like the French than you'd likely hear in rhe US or UK.

    My own rule in daily life is it depends on what language we are speaking. If we are speaking English, make them sound as Anglo as you like. If we are speaking French or a mix of languages, I prefer the French pronunciations.

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    Re: French words

    When I read the posts in this thread, I had a strange feeling that we'd been through this before in another thread. Perhaps it was just DJ view.

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