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    French words

    I'd like to know if native English speakers pronounce words with French roots Frenchly or Englishly.
    For example: bourbon, croissant, entrepreneur, etc.

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    Re: French words

    "Frenchly" and "Englishly" aren't words.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: French words

    It depends on the word, but often it's somewhere in between.

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    Re: French words

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    "Frenchly" and "Englishly" aren't words.
    According to Wiktionary and other dictionaries, these words do exist.
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Frenchly
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Englishly

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    Re: French words

    There are more than 100 dictionaries at www.onelook.com. 'Frenchly' is noted in only two, 'Englishly' in only four. Forget them.

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    Re: French words

    The pronunciation partly depends on whether the speaker has any knowledge of the pronunciation in the original language. I speak French and Spanish, and some Italian and Greek, so I'm aware of how the words are pronounced in the original. I certainly pronounce "croissant" the French way. "Entrepreneur" is a little different. For a start, I've been told in the past that the word isn't even used in French! Also, it's used in English so often that it generally just has an English pronunciation.

    Foods are good examples of such words where it's easy to tell if someone knows how it "should" be pronounced. In Italian restaurants, I have to bite my tongue whenever I hear anyone order "spaghetti boll-uh-nays" (rather than "bol-o-nyaiz-ay") or "bruh-shetter" (rather than "bruce-ketter"). In a restaurant recently, I heard a diner at an adjoining table baffle the waiter by asking for "guh-no-chee". The waiter asked him three times what he wanted before eventually asking him to point to it on the menu. Only then did he realise the diner wanted gnocchi (pronounced "nyokee").

    (Sorry, I don't do phonetic symbols!)
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: French words

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post


    (Sorry, I don't do phonetic symbols!)
    Don't apologise for that, ems. If you did, I wouldn't be able to make head or tail of it.

    This thread could run and run.

    One of my pet hates is the usual mispronunciation of lingerie. While commendably attempting the non-English nasal first syllable, most people pronounce the last as ray rather than ree.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 03-Feb-2018 at 12:21.

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    Re: French words

    To side track yet again - and why not? This is a fun thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    In Italian restaurants, I have to bite my tongue whenever I hear anyone order "spaghetti boll-uh-nays" (rather than "bol-o-nyaiz-ay") or "bruh-shetter" (rather than "bruce-ketter").
    I do think that some of us who know how 'foreign' dishes are pronounced by speakers in the countries from which these dishes come can be rather snobby about this, as ems was there - and as I can be, I hasten to add.

    My current wife is the best cook of any of the many wives I've been through, and can produce authentic dishes from all over the world. But, our divorce comes a week closer every time she serves me a (to-die-for) tagliatelle dish and tells me that she has produced one of my favourite dishes, 'tag-lee-a-telly'.

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    Re: French words

    There are more than 100 dictionaries at www.onelook.com. 'Frenchly' is noted in only two, 'Englishly' in only four. Forget them.
    That's true but one of these dictionaries is Merriam-Webster.

    Frenchly is defined in the OED and Englishly is also noted in the OED.
    Last edited by PHenry1026; 25-Apr-2018 at 16:57.

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    Re: French words

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    "Frenchly" and "Englishly" aren't words.
    They should be!
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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