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  1. matilda
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    Talking 213-can i omit HE?

    Hello all


    Look at the following sentence:

    The plane that he was scheduled to take to Hawaii was delayed.

    Can I omit HE in this sentence?
    I think the sentence is not grammatical if I omit HE. What do you think?

    Thank you all

    Matilda

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    Re: 213-can i omit HE?

    Quote Originally Posted by matilda View Post
    Hello all
    Look at the following sentence:
    The plane that he was scheduled to take to Hawaii was delayed.
    Can I omit HE in this sentence?
    I think the sentence is not grammatical if I omit HE. What do you think?
    Thank you all
    Matilda
    Yes, The plane that was scheduled to take to Hawaii was delayed
    is not correct. However, The plane that was scheduled to take HIM
    to Hawaii was delayed
    is correct.

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    Re: 213-can i omit HE?

    Quote Originally Posted by matilda View Post
    Hello all
    Look at the following sentence:
    The plane that he was scheduled to take to Hawaii was delayed.
    Can I omit HE in this sentence?
    I think the sentence is not grammatical if I omit HE. What do you think?
    Thank you all
    Matilda

    Hi Matilda

    If I have to refer strictly to your question the answer is negative. You cannot omit "he" because this pronoun is the subject of the sentence .."that he was scheduled..", but you can rephrase the sentence the way Englishstudent has already done.

    Regards,

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    so what should i do?

    i think i can omit it but my teacher insists on not omiting.
    and another thing.i think the verb is used in an incorrect way.( he was scheduled ...) mean s.b e;se made desission for him, and i think i should say( he scheduled for...). am i right?


    regards

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    Re: 213-can i omit HE?

    Quote Originally Posted by matilda View Post
    so what should i do?
    i think i can omit it but my teacher insists on not omiting.
    and another thing.i think the verb is used in an incorrect way.( he was scheduled ...) mean s.b e;se made desission for him, and i think i should say( he scheduled for...). am i right?
    regards

    Hi Matilda

    In my opinion Englishstudent is right and , of course,you are right too. I`ve taken a better look at the sentence and I realized that the pronoun "he" is not in the right place. Yes, it can be omitted ; make the change in your sentence as Englishstudent did:

    The plane that was scheduled to take him to Hawaii was delayed
    or, if your teacher lets you change one of the verbs then I`d change "scheduled" into "supposed" as follows[Your supposition is right- the verb is wrong!] :

    The plane [that] he was supposed to take to Hawaii was delayed.

    You have to ask your teacher what changes you are allowed to make in your sentence.

    Keep in touch

    Teia

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    Is this correct? :
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    The plane to Hawaii that he was scheduled to take was delayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dihen View Post
    Is this correct? :
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    The plane to Hawaii that he was scheduled to take was delayed.

    In my opinion your sentence is not correct. The verb "schedule" cannot be used in this context . Plans, arrivals, programmes, meetings , etc can be scheduled, but not persons. I might be wrong ; that`s why I hope to see some experts` advice.
    I think, as Matilda already stated, that the wrong word in this sentence is the verb "scheduled" and it should be changed. I suggested the verb "supposed" [or some other constructions]:

    The plane that he was supposed to take to Hawaii was delayed.or,
    The plane that he was going to take to Hawaii was delayed
    The plane that he was about to take to Hwaii was delayed.

    Matilda`s teacher asked her not to take the personal pronoun out of the context.

    Here is what I found in an English dictionary :

    Schedule

    n. A list of times of departures and arrivals; a timetable: a bus schedule; a schedule of guided tours.
    A plan for performing work or achieving an objective, specifying the order and allotted time for each part: finished the project on schedule.
    A printed or written list of items in tabular form: a schedule of postal rates.

    A program of events or appointments expected in a given time: Can you fit me into your schedule Tuesday afternoon?
    A student's program of classes.
    A supplemental statement of details appended to a document.

    A federally regulated list of controlled substances, ranked in classes by potential for abuse.
    One of the ranks or classes in such a list.

    tr.v. sched·uled, sched·ul·ing, sched·ules
    To enter on a schedule: calculate and schedule each tax deduction on the proper form.
    To make up a schedule for: I haven't scheduled the coming week yet.
    A person can schedule smth. but a person cannot be scheduled.
    To plan or appoint for a certain time or date: scheduled a trip in June;

    I've scheduled a concert next week" . "I scheduled an exam for this afternoon"


    Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
    Copyright © 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.

    I`ll look it up in some other dictionaries and on web to see if I am right or not

    Regards
    Last edited by Teia; 17-Aug-2006 at 17:36.

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    thank you all.it really helped


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    Quote Originally Posted by teia_petrescu View Post
    In my opinion your sentence is not correct. The verb "schedule" cannot be used in this context . Plans, arrivals, programmes, meetings , etc can be scheduled, but not persons. I might be wrong ; that`s why I hope to see some experts` advice.
    I think, as Matilda already stated, that the wrong word in this sentence is the verb "scheduled" and it should be changed. I suggested the verb "supposed" [or some other constructions]:
    The plane that he was supposed to take to Hawaii was delayed.or,
    The plane that he was going to take to Hawaii was delayed
    The plane that he was about to take to Hwaii was delayed.
    Matilda`s teacher asked her not to take the personal pronoun out of the context.
    Here is what I found in an English dictionary :
    Schedule
    n. A list of times of departures and arrivals; a timetable: a bus schedule; a schedule of guided tours.
    A plan for performing work or achieving an objective, specifying the order and allotted time for each part: finished the project on schedule.
    A printed or written list of items in tabular form: a schedule of postal rates.
    A program of events or appointments expected in a given time: Can you fit me into your schedule Tuesday afternoon?
    A student's program of classes.
    A supplemental statement of details appended to a document.
    A federally regulated list of controlled substances, ranked in classes by potential for abuse.
    One of the ranks or classes in such a list.
    tr.v. sched·uled, sched·ul·ing, sched·ules
    To enter on a schedule: calculate and schedule each tax deduction on the proper form.
    To make up a schedule for: I haven't scheduled the coming week yet.
    A person can schedule smth. but a person cannot be scheduled.
    To plan or appoint for a certain time or date: scheduled a trip in June;
    I've scheduled a concert next week" . "I scheduled an exam for this afternoon"
    Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
    Copyright © 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.
    I`ll look it up in some other dictionaries and on web to see if I am right or not
    Regards
    Teia,

    I am unaware of any restriction on the verb 'schedule' such as you describe. The passive mood form "I was scheduled to..." is a very common one in English. I checked with my Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, and it does not mention any restriction to inanimate classes of object, so I would be surprised to find that there is one. If there is, it is certainly not observed by native English speakers in my experience.

    However, to answer Matilda's question, the closest rephrasal in meaning that does not have the connotation of an external person doing the 'scheduling' is "The plane he was due to take to Hawaii was delayed."

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    Re: 213-can i omit HE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffa View Post
    Teia,
    I am unaware of any restriction on the verb 'schedule' such as you describe. The passive mood form "I was scheduled to..." is a very common one in English. I checked with my Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, and it does not mention any restriction to inanimate classes of object, so I would be surprised to find that there is one. If there is, it is certainly not observed by native English speakers in my experience.
    However, to answer Matilda's question, the closest rephrasal in meaning that does not have the connotation of an external person doing the 'scheduling' is "The plane he was due to take to Hawaii was delayed."

    Hi John

    Thank you very much! This is the answer I was waiting for. You are right. I neither saw the restriction you are talking about but I was not sure .I`ve been looking up for hours in all sorts of dictionaries and I expected to see a similar form Matilda used in her sentence. I did not find any, that`s why I was not sure if I could say :"I was scheduled..." and I surely didn`t know that this passive form is a common one in English.

    Thank you again.

    Regards,
    Teia

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