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    adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    Hi,

    I just started learning diagramming a few days ago. I have the following sentence:

    1. Suddenly, the least courageous member yelled shockingly loudly.

    Question: under the verb section, does it matter which order "shockingly" and "loudly" goes?

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    Re: adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    Yes. The order in which the words are presented in your diagram is the correct one.

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    Re: adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    I just translated this sentence diagram:

    "I pledge to the flag of the United States of American allegiance" is that right?

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    Re: adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    The correct sentence translation: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America" but I don't in real life because I'm not american.

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    Re: adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    Quote Originally Posted by HeartShape View Post
    Question: under the verb section, does it matter which order "shockingly" and "loudly" goes?
    Shockingly modifies loudly, so the order is significant to me.

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    Re: adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    Quote Originally Posted by HeartShape View Post
    The correct sentence translation: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America" but I don't in real life because I'm not American.
    Remember to capitalise nationalities.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    Quote Originally Posted by HeartShape View Post

    I just started learning diagramming a few days ago.


    NOT A TEACHER

    Hello, HeartShape:

    I, too, am a big fan of the Reed-Kellogg diagramming system

    When you get time, I suggest that you check out a website called German - Latin - English.

    It explains the basics of Reed-Kellogg and gives hundreds of example sentences.


    Best wishes

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    Re: adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    Quote Originally Posted by HeartShape View Post
    Hi,

    I just started learning diagramming a few days ago. I have the following sentence:

    1. Suddenly, the least courageous member yelled shockingly loudly.

    Question: under the verb section, does it matter which order "shockingly" and "loudly" goes?

    Correct diagram attached.
    Why are you using the Reed-Kellogg system?

    It has been universally rejected by grammarians as illogical, confusing, and unable to cope with complex clause structures.

    I strongly advise you to stick with the 'standard' system of tree-diagramming.

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    Re: adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMatthews View Post
    Why are you using the Reed-Kellogg system?

    It has been universally rejected by grammarians as illogical, confusing, and unable to cope with complex clause structures.

    I strongly advise you to stick with the 'standard' system of tree-diagramming.
    Oh my god, this is fantastic how can you not like it?

    When I was learning grammar at one point (some time back), I always wondered if there was some kind of diagram that existed to help show the relationship between words. And then, a week ago when I accidentally stumbled across this sentence diagram tutorial, showing the relationship between AND, OR, BUT, BOTH, I was amazed. This is what I wanted to see, or wish I could have learnt at the time. The way it is structured is actually quite visual to anything I have been exposed to.

    I think the argument against it is poor. I mean, people are saying it requires additional skill set to draw the diagrams on top of learning another difficult skill set - grammar. I think its poor mentality to think that way. The diagrams are quite easy to understand, enough, to visually see the connection between words.

    It does look confusing at first and maybe intimidating but once you go through a few tutorials you begin to see its value.

    Currently I'm learning this so cannot comment further.

    The sentence tree diagram looks interesting, but it doesn’t show the visual relationship between words. I think what I’m looking for is something to show a clear relationship between words.

    Not sure about the complex clause structure. I think for me, the purpose of sentence diagramming is to help understand the basic idea of putting simple sentence together so you can advance to the next level.
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    Re: adverb - help with sentence diagramming?

    Quote Originally Posted by HeartShape View Post
    Oh my god, this is fantastic how can you not like it?
    I don't like it for the same reason that virtually everyone else doesn't - it's an inferior and defective system.

    When I was learning grammar at one point (some time back), I always wondered if there was some kind of diagram that existed to help show the relationship between words. And then, a week ago when I accidentally stumbled across this sentence diagram tutorial, showing the relationship between AND, OR, BUT, BOTH, I was amazed. This is what I wanted to see, or wish I could have learnt at the time. The way it is structured is actually quite visual to anything I have been exposed to.

    I think the argument against it is poor. I mean, people are saying it requires additional skill set to draw the diagrams on top of learning another difficult skill set - grammar. I think its poor mentality to think that way. The diagrams are quite easy to understand, enough, to visually see the connection between words.

    It does look confusing at first and maybe intimidating but once you go through a few tutorials you begin to see its value. Currently I'm learning this so cannot comment further.

    PM: The argument against is not poor, but solid and sound. To the best of my knowledge, the RK system is not used in learning establishments. That should tell you something, i.e. that it is not an intuitive diagramming system.

    One of its major weaknesses is that it fails to show the constituent structure of sentences, a vital requirement for grasping the syntax of sentences.

    Another is that it does not show both category and functions of the various constituents. Again, this is necessary if one is to fully grasp the syntactic properties of the various constituents.

    The sentence tree diagram looks interesting, but it doesnÂ’t show the visual relationship between words. I think what IÂ’m looking for is something to show a clear relationship between words.
    PM: That's untrue, of course it does. It shows very clearly the relationship between words, phrases and clauses. That's why we all use it.

    Not sure about the complex clause structure. I think for me, the purpose of sentence diagramming is to help understand the basic idea of putting simple sentence together so you can advance to the next level.
    PM: What's the point in learning a system for the basic stuff, and then having to learn another at a later stage for the trickier stuff. That makes no sense. The basic tree diagramming system is suitable for all levels, both beginners like yourself, and more advanced students - that's why it is widely used in mainstream teaching.

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