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    Grammar check - He is said to be rich

    Hi,

    I just want to check the following grammar analysis of mine:

    1. He is said to be rich

    My analysis:

    i. He is said to be rich = Subject Verb Objective
    ii. to be rich = Infinitive + adjective = infinitive phrase
    iii. to be rich = Infinitive + noun

    Is the above correct?

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    Re: Grammar check - He is said to be rich

    I don't think to be rich is the object of the verb.

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    Re: Grammar check - He is said to be rich

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    I don't think to be rich is the object of the verb.
    Oh. That's a possibility. What is your reason behind that answer?

    Is it this?

    i. He is said to be rich = Subject Verb Objective
    ii. Objective = noun

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    Re: Grammar check - He is said to be rich

    Quote Originally Posted by HeartShape View Post
    Hi,

    I just want to check the following grammar analysis of mine:

    1. He is said to be rich

    My analysis:

    i. He is said to be rich = Subject Verb Objective
    ii. to be rich = Infinitive + adjective = infinitive phrase
    iii. to be rich = Infinitive + noun

    Is the above correct?
    "He is said to be rich."

    Not quite. "Say" is a catenative verb and this is catenative construction, where "to be rich" is a subordinate infinitival clause functioning as catenative complement of "said".

    Like most non-finite clauses, "to be rich" is subjectless, though the subject is understood as "he". The adjective "rich" is subjective predicative complement of "be", and the semantic (understood) subject "he" is predicand for the PC.

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    Re: Grammar check - He is said to be rich

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMatthews View Post
    [...] and the semantic (understood) subject "he" is predicand for the PC.
    It must have been a typo - I couldn't find "predicand" here.
    May I ask what you meant?

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    Re: Grammar check - He is said to be rich

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    It must have been a typo - I couldn't find "predicand" here.
    May I ask what you meant?
    A predicand is what a predicative complement relates to: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/predicand

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    Re: Grammar check - He is said to be rich

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMatthews View Post
    "He is said to be rich."

    Not quite. "Say" is a catenative verb and this is catenative construction, where "to be rich" is a subordinate infinitival clause functioning as catenative complement of "said".

    Like most non-finite clauses, "to be rich" is subjectless, though the subject is understood as "he". The adjective "rich" is subjective predicative complement of "be", and the semantic (understood) subject "he" is predicand for the PC.

    He is said to be rich

    i. He is said [(He) to be rich]
    ii. He is said [(He) to be rich] = subject complement of "He"
    iii. He is said [(He) to be rich] = predicand = terminology of saying subject complement am I right? Or should it be to be rich is the predicand of He?

    He is rich = predicand/predicative complement (Subordinate clause is a subject complement of "He").
    rich = adjective predicate
    He is said [(He) to be rich] = infinitival phrase which includes the word predicate word rich.

    The sentence contains the elements of infinitival phrase as analysed above.

    Basically, my original analysis is correct, but if I describe the subordinate part as above then that completes my understanding?

    Is this the correct understanding?
    Last edited by HeartShape; 30-Nov-2018 at 19:18.

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    Hi,

    I have found my answer. I have also attached screen of another analysis from someone.

    My post was actually right.

    He is said to be rich = Subject Verb Objective

    1. rich = predicate objective of
    "to be"
    2.
    to be = the infinitive is the object of the verb "is said".
    3. to be rich = predicate complement
    [Of he. I think.] (fancy way of saying it)

    And that concludes my analysis.

    Anyone disagree?

    There's also another way to analyse the sentence:

    He is said to be rich = S + P + SA where P is considered complex verbs, and SA is subject attribute. Obviously, S is subject.
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    Last edited by HeartShape; 01-Dec-2018 at 00:48.

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    Re: Grammar check - He is said to be rich

    Quote Originally Posted by tzfujimino View Post
    It must have been a typo - I couldn't find "predicand" here.
    May I ask what you meant?
    I thought it was a typo too.

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    Re: Grammar check - He is said to be rich

    Quote Originally Posted by HeartShape View Post
    Hi,

    I have found my answer. I have also attached screen of another analysis from someone.

    My post was actually right.

    He is said to be rich = Subject Verb Objective

    1. rich = predicate objective of
    "to be"
    2.
    to be = the infinitive is the object of the verb "is said".
    3. to be rich = predicate complement
    [Of he. I think.] (fancy way of saying it)

    And that concludes my analysis.

    Anyone disagree?

    There's also another way to analyse the sentence:

    He is said to be rich = S + P + SA where P is considered complex verbs, and SA is subject attribute. Obviously, S is subject.
    I disagree. Predicative complements (both subjective and objective) very rarely consist of clauses. They are virtually always NPs or AdjPs.

    As I said before, it's a catenative construction -- see my post #4 for details

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