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    I will change my sentence (....than tenant builder apartments in the building under construction'') into ''The building is under construction''. Would it OK?
    Why is it wrong to use ''reconstruct or rebuild it according to your own project'' in this sentence below?
    ''It is possible to buy a few apartments or reconstruct one according to your own project''
    When you say reconstruct or rebuild, it means the building is gone. So those are the wrong words.

    If a building needs work, you can use verbs like repair, remodel, update, modernize, repair, renovate, and rehab. They all have slightly different meanings, so look them up if you're not familiar with them.
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    #32

    Re: Plaster -coated structure/prospective images/

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Adams View Post
    I will change my sentence (....than tenant builder apartments in the building under construction'') into ''The building is under construction''. Would it OK?
    Why is it wrong to use ''reconstruct or rebuild it according to your own project'' in this sentence below?
    ''It is possible to buy a few apartments or reconstruct one according to your own project''
    I do not understand what you mean by "than tenant builder apartments".
    reconstruct or rebuild it according to your own project - Do you mean renovate the completed(d) units to suit your own requirements. "To reconstruct" is to tear down something constructed and rebuild it again.
    If more space is required, prospective buyers could take up multiple units and renovate them to suit their own requirements.
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    #33

    Re: Plaster -coated structure/prospective images/

    - ''Do you mean renovate the completed(d) units to suit your own requirements. "To reconstruct" is to tear down something constructed and rebuild it again''. That's what some people do. They tear down their new flat and remodel it. Not the whole building of course but the new flat which is gone and then rebuilt again.

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    #34

    Re: Plaster -coated structure/prospective images/

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Adams View Post
    - ''Do you mean renovate the completed(d) units to suit your own requirements. "To reconstruct" is to tear down something constructed and rebuild it again''. That's what some people do. They tear down their new flat and remodel it. Not the whole building of course but the new flat which is gone and then rebuilt again.
    You can put that is one of the options to propective buyers of the apartments who may need a bigger unit

    Now back to the original objective of your posts, which I understand is an advertisement by a realtor for the sale of units in an apartment block in the progress of construction.
    Let us have a look at the write-up.
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    Rachel Adams- I think one of the reasons we are rather going in circles is that there are roughly two types of construction in high-rise buildings. In very general terms they are:

    1. Steel structure, where sectional steel vertical columns are joined with horizontal members. Floors are reinforced concrete.
    2. Reinforced concrete, where both vertical and horizontal members are made of concrete with bundles of reinforcing bars embedded. I think there is a limit as to how high this construction can go, though I don't know what that limit might actually be. The building I live in was built this way. It's nine floors because in China, if you have more than nine floors, you have to build in an elevator.

    I think the primary area of misunderstanding is with the word
    plaster. Look in your dictionary and notice there are several meanings- both nouns and verbs- so that may be part of the 'loss in translation'.

    If we assume non-finished interior spaces offered for sale:

    A. In #1 the bare steel would have to be protected from corrosion by some coating, and perhaps this coating is locally called "plaster". It may look rather like plaster, but is not actually plaster, and some other term should be used if an accurate description is needed in English. I don't know what that might be. I guess this is your situation.
    B. In #2 the as-poured concrete piers, walls, and ceilings may actually be coated with plaster to even out irregularities and make the space more attractive to prospective buyers.

    I am confident that "a pasty composition (as of lime, water, and sand) that hardens on drying and is used for coating walls, ceilings, and partitions" is not being applied to steel structural members as in A. above.
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    #36

    Re: Plaster -coated structure/prospective images/

    Quote Originally Posted by J&K Tutoring View Post
    I think the primary area of misunderstanding is with the word plaster. Look in your dictionary and notice there are several meanings- both nouns and verbs- so that may be part of the 'loss in translation'.
    I am no longer lost in translation. Yes, they were talking about plaster that walls and ceilings are coated with. Steel structural members are coated with something else as you say and thankfully I didn't have to write about it.
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    #37

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    ''Let us have a look at the write-up''. I had more information about building nuances. I added rewritten sentences only. The numbers are different.
    ''Property-owner unfurnished units are offered at lower prices than builder units in an under-construction building. From 56 to 570 square meters. 7th and 8th floors. Panoramic views. It is possible to buy a few units or convert them into one to suit your own requirements. Renovated until semi-furnished. The pictures show the current progress of construction.
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    #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Adams View Post
    - ''Do you mean renovate the completed(d) units to suit your own requirements. "To reconstruct" is to tear down something constructed and rebuild it again''. That's what some people do. They tear down their new flat and remodel it. Not the whole building of course but the new flat which is gone and then rebuilt again.
    You can't tear down a single unit. If there's a unit upstair, it will fall. If there's a unit downstairs, it will get water damage from rain.

    You can gut it. I'm sure that's the word you want.

    And have you looked up stucco and stuccoed yet? Does it fit?
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    #39

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    You can't tear down a single unit. If there's a unit upstair, it will fall. If there's a unit downstairs, it will get water damage from rain.

    You can gut it. I'm sure that's the word you want.

    And have you looked up stucco and stuccoed yet? Does it fit?
    Whether the internal walls of an apartment unit within a multi-storey building can be removed depends on the type of structure. If it is a framework structure, the frame takes the load of the building while the walls are non-load bearing. If it is a load-bearing wall structure, then the walls cannot be removed. The building that OP described is more likely to be the former.

    Yes, stucco is a term used to refer to external wall plaster in some countries, not all. The term "plaster" is used to refer to bother external and internal in others. Anyway, I thought the prospective apartment buyer would be more interested in the finishes used inside the unit (which is not mentioned) rather than the exterior.
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    #40

    Re: Plaster -coated structure/prospective images/

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Adams View Post
    I had more information about building nuances.
    What do you mean by "nuances". Details of the building? I don't think the word is appropriate with buildings.

    I added rewritten sentences only. The numbers are different.

    ''Property-owner unfurnished units are offered at lower prices than builder units in an under-construction building.
    Individual-owned unfurnished units are offered at lower prices than those direct from the builder/developer. (The builder builds whereas the developer sells, unless they are the same company)

    From 56 to 570 square meters. 7th and 8th floors. Panoramic views.
    Floor areas range from 56(are you sure? not 560?) to 570 sq.m. Units on 7th and 8th floors have panoramic views.

    It is possible to buy a few units or convert
    (join) them into one to suit your own requirements.

    Renovated until semi-furnished.
    Units will be semi-furnished (with built-in cabinets, etc.)

    The pictures show the current progress of construction.
    You could use "photos" as Tutoring suggested but I do not see the problem since they accompany your description.

    See comments above.
    Last edited by tedmc; 02-Apr-2019 at 03:36.
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