1. ## conditional If

1-If I have one million dollars,I will buy a car.
Can we say that in number one I have 900000 dollars, In number two Omar has only 1000 dollars?
Is it acceptable?

2. ## Re: conditional If

Originally Posted by abo.omar
1-If I have one million dollars, (space) I will buy a car.

That means you're going to count your money to see if you have a million dollars. If you do, you'll buy a car.

2-If Omar had one million dollars, (space) I would buy a car.

That means that Omar does not have a million dollars. If he did, then you'd buy a car. But he doesn't, so you're not going to. (I think that if he had a million dollars, he should buy you a car!)

Can we say that in 1 I have \$900,000,

No. We don't know how much you have, and you don't either. Maybe you have a million, and maybe you don't. You need to to count it to find out how much you have.

In 2 Omar has only \$1,000?

No. We know he has less than a million, but we don't know how much less. He might have nothing. He might have almost a million.

Is it acceptable?

No.
Most people wouldn't wait until they had a million dollars to buy a car.

And no one would wait for someone else to have a million to buy a car!

Tell us more about what you're trying to say.

3. ## Re: conditional If

You can say that you are closer to buying the car in terms of probability, so having more money than he does makes sense to me. However, he could have a relative who has just died and who will leave him a fortune, in which case he is closer than you.

4. ## Re: conditional If

Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein
Most people wouldn't wait until they had a million dollars to buy a car.

And no one would wait for someone else to have a million to buy a car!

Tell us more about what you're trying to say.
I wanted to simplify the difference between the first and second conditional , so I gave the two examples with the approximately amount of money.
I said "1-If I have one million dollars,I will buy a car." means it is possible to buy a car .I am about to have its price.On the other hand, in the second sentence I am still away of its price.

5. ## Re: conditional If

Originally Posted by abo.omar
I wanted to simplify the difference between the first and second conditional , so I gave the two examples with the approximately amount of money.
I said "1-If I have one million dollars, (space) I will buy a car" means it is possible to buy a car.

It's possible to buy hundreds of cars for a million dollars.
I think you're just asking whether using have means that you might possibly have that much money. I answered that above. I said yes.

If Omar had one million dollars,
(space) I would buy a car.
When you say that, you're talking about two people: you and Omar. If you and Omar are the same person, either say:

- "If I had a million dollars, I would buy a car."
- "If Omar had a million dollars, he would buy a car."

I think you're asking whether the word had means that you definitely don't have it. I answered that above, too. I said yes..

[In the first] I am about to have its price.
No, it doesn't mean you're going to have it soon. "If I have" means you might or might not. You don't know.

On the other hand, in the second sentence I am still away from its price.

Yes, "If I had" means you don't have it. But you asked if they meant you had specific amounts of money: \$900,000 and \$1,000. No, that's not what they mean. I said that above, too.

I hope it's clearer now. In the first, you might have the money. In the second, you don't have it.

6. ## Re: conditional If

If the bank give me the promotion I deserve [good possibility], I will buy the one-million-dollar car.
If I won the lottery [low probability], I would buy the one-million-dollar car.

7. ## Re: conditional If

Originally Posted by Tdol
. . . If I won the lottery [low probability], I would buy the one-million-dollar car.
I wonder about that. If I'd bought the lottery ticket, I'd say "If I win," even though it's unlikely. I'd only say "won" if I didn't have a ticket and was just fantasizing.

Maybe it can mean the same thing either way.

And I do like the million-dollar car concept.

8. ## Re: conditional If

Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein
I wonder about that. If I'd bought the lottery ticket, I'd say "If I win," even though it's unlikely. I'd only say "won" if I didn't have a ticket and was just fantasizing.
I agree with you, Charlie.

We had a discussion on exactly this question a few weeks ago here on this forum. I was saying that if a speaker says if I won, it's because he's not imagining any possibility at all of winning. It's seen as purely hypothetical. This may be because he doesn't have a ticket, but it might also be the case that he does have a ticket but that, for whatever reason, he thinks there is no real possibility of winning. Otherwise he'd say if I win.

Now there may be reasons that the speaker deliberately chooses to present the winning as hypothetical, even, say, if he has already won, but in general, I think it's a useful rule to remember that when we use second conditionals, it's because we see there being no chance of the state or event happening.

9. ## Re: conditional If

Originally Posted by jutfrank
I agree with you, Charlie.

We had a discussion on exactly this question a few weeks ago here on this forum. I was saying that if a speaker says if I won, it's because he's not imagining any possibility at all of winning. It's seen as purely hypothetical. This may be because he doesn't have a ticket, but it might also be the case that he does have a ticket but that, for whatever reason, he thinks there is no real possibility of winning. Otherwise he'd say if I win.

Now there may be reasons that the speaker deliberately chooses to present the winning as hypothetical, even, say, if he has already won, but in general, I think it's a useful rule to remember that when we use second conditionals, it's because we see there being no chance of the state or event happening.
That means it depends on the speaker.

10. ## Re: conditional If

Originally Posted by Tdol
If the bank give me the promotion I deserve [good possibility], I will buy the one-million-dollar car.
If I won the lottery [low probability], I would buy the one-million-dollar car.

If the bank give me the promotion I deserve , I will buy the one-million-dollar car.
That means you feel you may get it soon.

If the bank gave me the promotion I deserve , I would buy the one-million-dollar car.
That means you feel you may not get it soon.
Right?

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