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    #11

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    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    The intruding sound there is a /r/ sound (the other one along with /j/ and /w/), which makes your second example sound like The llama rambled ...

    An example I like is Law & Order, which when I say it sounds like Laura Norder.
    I said that sentence out loud a few times and I didn't have an intrusive "r". However, I realise that some people do.

    Going back to "I am", look what just popped up on my Facebook feed:

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    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #12

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    The cartoonist who drew Popeye the Sailorman expoited the y-glide as a joke. The bubble above Popeye's head said "I yam what I yam." That was actually the title of the 1933 Popeye movie, as I have just learned.
    Last edited by probus; 19-May-2019 at 11:32. Reason: Add third sentence

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    #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    The cartoonist who drew Popeye the Sailorman expoited the y-glide as a joke. The bubble above Popeye's head said "I yam what I yam." That was actually the title of the 1933 Popeye movie, as I have just learned.
    Could you explain what this joke is about? I don't understand.
    Please correct my writing if there's any grammatical solecism.

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    #14

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    Jokes are famously difficult if not impossible to explain. I wasn't even born in 1933. Even I wasn't born in 1933. (Tiny little joke). The American accent has certainly evolved since 1933 to judge by old movies. I suppose the movie exaggerated the glide, but can't be sure why it was funny at the time.

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    #15

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    I imagine it's a joke because Popeye even thinks "I yam what I yam" - since it's in a thought bubble, much as Piscean's thought bubble might be “aɪjæm wɒt aɪjæm”

    Last edited by Raymott; 19-May-2019 at 12:05.

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    #16

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    Are the pronunciations such as "I yam", "do wing" etc. considered as informal, colloquial like "I'm gonna buy a book"?

    If I exactly pronounce "I am", "doing/ˈduː.ɪŋ/ ", does my English sound rigid, less flowing or foreign accent to the ear of native speakers?
    Please correct my writing if there's any grammatical solecism.

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    #17

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    The linking /j/ and /w/ sounds are normal and natural. Indeed, they are so normal and natural that most native speakers are unaware that they are producing them, and don't consciously hear them when others produce them. It is difficult to make the glides without the link unless you use a glottal stop instead. They are neither informal nor colloquial.

    The intrusive /r/, on the other hand, is still considered by some to be substandard.

    Incidentally, 'gonna'' is frowned on in all but very informal writing, but a lot of us produce some form of contracted 'going to' in normally conversation.

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    #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by tree123 View Post
    If I exactly pronounce "I am", "doing/ˈduː.ɪŋ/ ", does my English sound rigid, less flowing or foreign accent to the ear of native speakers?
    Yes, it would. Native speakers would barely be able to produce that pronunciation.
    I am not a teacher.

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    #19

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    This is all very interesting to me. Tree, could you please post a link to the Youtube video about the do-wing pronunciation?

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    #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    This is all very interesting to me. Tree, could you please post a link to the Youtube video about the do-wing pronunciation?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmR6evKDm4o&t=189s

    The target viewers of the video are Chinese learners of English, so he teaches English in Chinese. "Doing" is one of the pronunciations he points out. It is not in the beginning of the video.

    It's from 2:59 to around 4:23.
    Edit: add the timing for "doing".
    Last edited by tree123; 19-May-2019 at 23:25.
    Please correct my writing if there's any grammatical solecism.

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