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    Re: Can you judge my accent?

    To repeat myself, as a non-Brit I should have kept right out of this one. And lately it seems I learn as much as I teach on usingenglish.com. ��

    It has been more than forty years since I lived in London and I was quite unaware of contemporary RP, both the concept and the sound of it. When I said RP I meant what the Wikipedia article calls Conservative or upper RP, English as the Queen speaks it. I'll now shut up and leave the field to those who know what they are talking about.

    By the way, that capital C Conservative was not intended as a joke, but it's not bad, eh?
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    #12

    Re: Can you judge my accent?

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Your pronunciation is good but you do have mild Vietnamese accent.

    I think there is some confusion in your mind about the terms 'RP' accent, London accent, South-East England accent. These are not the same thing. In fact, they can be very different indeed.

    It seems clear to me that you are going for an 'RP' accent, even if you're not quite there yet.
    Thanks. Can you pin point exactly which part of my speech that i need to improve?

    I m thinking about practicing something more common but still
    distinctive because Upper RP is too Posh to me, i must say. Any advice?

    Also i ve heard that the contemporary RP is kind of similar to American General Accent nowadays in terms of intonation. Is it true?
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    #13

    Re: Can you judge my accent?

    In this forum we don't use cuz, i, and kinda. Less advanced students than you are entitled to believe that what they read here is correct English.

    Kindly rewrite your last question in correct English.

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    #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    What I mean is that I believe that bach98 is at least attempting a standard British pronunciation (what we call 'contemporary RP').
    Some people use the term 'contemporary RP'. I am sure that I have used it. However, I agree with the editors of the 16th edition(2003) of the English Pronouncing Dictionary:

    The time has come to abandon the archaic name Received Pronunciation. The model used
    [in the dictionary] for British English is what is referred to as BBC English; this is the pronunciation of professional speakers employed by the BBC as newsreaders and announcers on BBC1 and BBC2 television, the World Service and BBC Radio 3 and 4, as well as many commercial broadcasting organisations such as ITN. [...] Their speech does not carry for most people the connotations of high social class and privilege that PSP [Public School Pronunciation] and RP had in the past.

    Here are example of the speech of three BBC newsreaders: Fiona Bruce, George Alagiah, Reeta Chakrabarti. While bach's accent is, I think, closer to to their accents than, for example the accents of a speaker of Cockney or Estuary English, I would not call it BBC English.

    (John Wells , in his 3rd edition of the Longman Pronouncing Dictionary (2008) uses as a model for the pronunciations he records a modernized version of the type known as Received Pronunciation, or RP. It is what was traditionally used by BBC news readers - hence the alternative name BBC pronunciation.)

    I can't see what South-East England has to do with anything.
    It has a lot to do with what we are talking about. You are far more likely to hear accents similar to bach's in London and South-East England than in, for example, Birmingham, Liverpool, Newcastle, Barnsley, etc (or, of course, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    The time has come to abandon the archaic name Received Pronunciation. The model used [in the dictionary] for British English is what is referred to as BBC English
    I really don't think BBC English works better as a term than RP. The majority of BBC presenters (on TV at least) do not speak in this way.

    It has a lot to do with what we are talking about. You are far more likely to hear accents similar to bach's in London and South-East England than in, for example, Birmingham, Liverpool, Newcastle, Barnsley, etc (or, of course, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland).
    Right, this is where we disagree. I don't think 'far more likely' is correct. I think it is more likely, yes, but I don't think this is as significant as you think. Also, the reasons why there may be a greater concentration of RP speakers in the South-East is, I suspect, more to do with class (and other social factors) than with any regional effect.
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    Re: Can you judge my accent?

    Quote Originally Posted by bach98 View Post
    Thanks. Can you pin point exactly which part of my speech that i need to improve?
    Well, I think your pronunciation is fine as it is. You really don't need to improve much at all, if anything, in my opinion.

    I m thinking about practicing something more common but still
    distinctive cuz Upper RP is too Posh to me, i must say. Any advice?
    I don't know what you mean by 'distinctive'. My advice would be to find someone to use as a model, and then just try to mimic the way he pronounces until you can't hear any differences between you and him. Make sure you choose your model very carefully.

    Also i ve heard that the contemporary RP is kinda similar to American General Accent nowadays in terms of intonation. Is it true?
    I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me. I think that now there is more cross-cultural communication between varieties of English than ever before, it is only natural that these would tend toward some kind of international standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    I really don't think BBC English works better as a term than RP. The majority of BBC presenters (on TV at least) do not speak in this way.
    Here are samples of the first twelve people listed on Wikipedia's List of BBC newsreaders and reporters:

    George Alagiah
    Fiona Bruce
    Rachel Burden
    Victoria Derbyshire
    Reeta Chakrabarti
    Tina Daheely
    Victoria Derbyshire
    Huw Edwards
    Christian Fraser
    Joanna Gosling
    Jane Hill
    Mishal Husain

    They seem to be fairly typical of professional speakers employed by the BBC as newsreaders and announcers on BBC1 and BBC2 television, the World Service and BBC Radio 3 and 4, as well as many commercial broadcasting organisations such as ITN.

    [Also, the reasons why there may be a greater concentration of RP speakers in the South-East is, I suspect, more to do with class (and other social factors) than with any regional effect.
    You have brought up this class point in at least one other thread. Whatever the reason (and I don't necessarily agree that it is class or other social factors), if there is a greater concentration of RP speakers in the South-East, then I can't see any valid objection to my saying that it is heard among many speakers in that region. You are the only person who has mentioned 'regional effect'.

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    Bach98 wrote "Also i ve heard that the contemporary RP is kinda similar to American General Accent nowadays in terms of intonation. Is it true?

    I know the answer, but I will not give it until you rewrite your last question in correct English.

    And I regret that some of my fellow teachers have let the side down by answering you in part and not supporting my request that you do so. It is bad for usingenglish.com.
    Last edited by probus; 22-May-2019 at 11:29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    And I regret that some of my fellow teachers have let the side down by answering you in part and not supporting my request that you do so. It is bad for usingenglish.com.
    As must be my typophilia. I'll take a break so as not to let the side down any more.

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