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    #31

    Re: Faked cry vs Fake-cried

    Lastly, here are some recent quotations from The New Yorker, the best-written and most carefully edited magazine in the United States:

    "No one else could even feign to know his moods, the source of his abrupt decisions."
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1...in?reload=true

    "But the data for this, of course, are nonexistent, and Albright and Ashbrook do not even feign to find them."
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...d-on-the-brain

    "In football, prospective professional players have essentially no choice but to attend college, or feign to."
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2.../team-spirit-4

    For his part, Liebling admired, and meant to emulate, the British writers of the eighteenth century who observed every corner of society, the Fancy who ruled things and the Poor who feigned to listen; he favored above all the ones who wrote least stingily both in volume and in metaphorical profusion—Defoe, Egan, and Hazlitt.
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...porting-it-all

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    #32

    Re: Faked cry vs Fake-cried

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    Turning now to perhaps the most exotic source in my grammatical arsenal, I shall quote an entire section dealing with this pattern (emphasis mine).
    That's more evidence that feign to is archaic. The most recent example is 140 years old old. The examples from The New Yorker demonstrate it still existed more recently in at least one rarefied environment.
    I am not a teacher.

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    #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    That's more evidence that feign to is archaic. [. . .] The examples from The New Yorker demonstrate it still existed more recently in at least one rarefied environment.
    You are wrong, GoesStation. You and your "likers" can no longer pretend that it doesn't exist or feign not to notice it. I have proven that the construction has existed since at least the thirteen-hundreds. It is, indeed, in Visser's work (1969), one of the two prototypical verbs (verbs of feigning and affecting) for the pattern taken by pretend, which you and ems find yourselves able to tolerate. The construction has never ceased to exist. It is alive and well today among highly literate people, even if, for whatever reason, your own private dialects resist it. There is nothing wrong with the construction. There never has been anything wrong with it. And there is nothing wrong with showing the construction to learners. If you like, I can go on all day, when I have free moments, providing respectable examples, restricting myself to examples from the twenty-first century. Shall we proceed to The New York Times? Pick your poison.
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    #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    You are wrong, GoesStation. You and your "likers" can no longer pretend that it doesn't exist or feign not to notice it.
    I don't think anybody has claimed it doesn't exist.
    It is alive and well today among highly literate people
    Which seems to suggest that GS, ems and I are not highly literate.

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    #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    I don't think anybody has claimed it doesn't exist.
    To call it archaic is tantamount to claiming that its many tokens in contemporary literary English are effectively linguistic zombies.

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    #36

    Re: Faked cry vs Fake-cried

    I've moved this thread as the OP has long since lost interest.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 24-Jun-2019 at 22:40.

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    #37

    Re: Faked cry vs Fake-cried

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    To call it archaic is tantamount to claiming that its many tokens in contemporary literary English are effectively linguistic zombies.
    One last word, Phaedrus. Literary English is like ballet, opera, and symphony orchestras. Some people love some or all of that quartet. A much larger segment of the people have no interest in any of them. That large majority includes plenty of intelligent and highly educated people. Personally I love the English language and have read widely for pleasure all my life. But tell me a novel is literary and I'll find something else to read.

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