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    Re: These or they?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Adams View Post
    And if I am talking about animals, are all the forms appropriate - ''this/that/these/those and they''?
    Yes, they are all perfectly usable for animals (and for non-animals).

    I'm curious. If you believe that "they" can't be used for animals, what word would you put in the space in the second sentence below?

    I can see six horses. ________ are all black.

    The only disagreement that occurs sometimes between native speakers is whether we can use "who" for animals. I would say "I have a cat who loves tuna". Some people would say that it should be expressed as "I have a cat that loves tuna". I tend to see animals like humans - living beings with likes, dislikes, personalities etc, so I use "who". People who see animals as things prefer "that".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Yes, they are all perfectly usable for animals (and for non-animals).

    I'm curious. If you believe that "they" can't be used for animals, what word would you put in the space in the second sentence below?

    I can see six horses. __these______ are all black. It was just my humble opinion, as I said I was judging by the book examples.

    The only disagreement that occurs sometimes between native speakers is whether we can use "who" for animals. I would say "I have a cat who loves tuna". Some people would say that it should be expressed as "I have a cat that loves tuna". I tend to see animals like humans - living beings with likes, dislikes, personalities etc, so I use "who". People who see animals as things prefer "that".
    I think even if it was wrong to use 'who' when talking about them, I would still use it. I don't understand those who see them as things. Thank you, for your explanation.

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    #13

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    Well, life should be much simpler for you now that you know you can use "they/them" for all plural nouns!
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #14

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    Oh, no. Not yet. I didn't ask if I can use them all when talking about people. ''They are French students'', I know it's correct but ''these/those are French students''? This/that/it's a French student. Are they all corect too?

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    #15

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    1b. I wouldn't say, 'What are they?' as I pointed to something for the first time. Maybe that's why the book uses ''what are these in its questions''? And that's what I meant when I said perhaps there is a rule.

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    #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Adams View Post
    No. No one told me that. I was judging by the examples given in the book. In each question the book uses:''these''(what are these?) and in asnwers:''they''(they are lions, books, etc). The book I am talking about is Oxoford Discover for children.
    Try not to make up your own rules just because something isn't there.
    "The cats' names are Sage, Rosemary, and Thyme." You cannot make up a rule from that that you can't call your cat Basil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    The only disagreement that occurs sometimes between native speakers is whether we can use "who" for animals.
    Many use she and he for pets.

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    #18

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    Many use she and he for pets.
    I'm one of those people. And not just for pets - for wild animals too (when I know the gender, of course).
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #19

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    Yes.

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    #20

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    Could anyone please answer my question in the post #14? I would be very grateful to you.

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