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    #1

    it has rained four times since October.

    Hi,

    In "it has rained four times since October," when did the rain begin?

    In "It hasn't rained since February," when did the most recent rain occur?

    In "I haven't eaten since March 5," when did the speaker last eat?

    I'd appreciate your help.

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    #2

    Re: it has rained four times since October.

    I'm labelling your questions 1,2,3.

    1) We don't know from this. We just know that the timeframe in which raining four times has happened began at a point in time described as 'October'.

    2) At a conceived point in time described as 'February'. This would be taken to mean some time between the beginning and end of February.

    3) At a conceived point in time described as 'March 5'. This would be taken to mean some time between the beginning and end of March 5.

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    #3

    Re: it has rained four times since October.

    For (1), could it be that raining four times occurred after October?

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    #4

    Re: it has rained four times since October.

    Quote Originally Posted by raymondaliasapollyon View Post
    For (1), could it be that raining four times occurred after October?
    It could mean that. It's a very imprecise sentence. We don't know if the speaker means "since the start of October" or "since the end of October".

    It could have rained on October 1, 2, 3 and 4 and not since. It could have rained on November 3, November 8, March 19 and yesterday. Who knows?!
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #5

    Re: it has rained four times since October.

    Yes.

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    Re: it has rained four times since October.

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    It could mean that. It's a very imprecise sentence. We don't know if the speaker means "since the start of October" or "since the end of October".

    It could have rained on October 1, 2, 3 and 4 and not since. It could have rained on November 3, November 8, March 19 and yesterday. Who knows?!
    Is "March 19" compatible with either the start or end of October?

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    Re: it has rained four times since October.

    Quote Originally Posted by raymondaliasapollyon View Post
    Is "March 19" compatible with either the start or end of October?
    What do you mean?

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    Re: it has rained four times since October.

    If "since October" could mean either "since the start of October" or "since the end of October," I'd expect the time frame to fall between October 1 and December 31. March 19 falls outside that range.

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    #9

    Re: it has rained four times since October.

    What does December 31 have to do with anything?

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    #10

    Re: it has rained four times since October.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    What does December 31 have to do with anything?
    December 31 is the end of the year, and therefore the (default) limit of the range.

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