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    #1

    the girl who won/winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

    a. What's the name of the girl who won the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize?

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    b. What's the name of the girl winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize?
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    Do (a) and (b) mean the same thing? Are they interchangeable? If not, could you tell me your opinion?
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    #2

    Re: the girl who won/winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

    Sentence "a" is correct; "b" is not.

    Look at the following examples:

    What's the name of the girl sitting on the bench over there?
    Here, "sitting" means "who is sitting". This is an example of a reduced relative clause.

    She dominated the 2014 swimming tournament, winning three medals.
    Here, "winning" means "and won". This is an example of a participle (adverbial) clause.

    Going back to your example, we see that it fits neither of those. Therefore, it is incorrect.

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    Re: the girl who won/winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

    c. The girl who danced here yesterday is my sister.

    d. The girl dancing here yesterday is my sister.

    e.
    The girl was dancing here yesterday is my sister.
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    So (c) is correct; (d) is
    a reduced relative clause of (e), not of (d). Am I right?

    Last edited by kadioguy; 24-Jun-2019 at 15:01. Reason: added content
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    #4

    Re: the girl who won/winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

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    e.
    The girl who was dancing here yesterday is my sister.

    See correction.

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post
    So (c) is correct;
    Yes.

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    (d) is
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    a reduced relative clause of (e)
    Yes, but see correction above.

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    , not of (d). Am I right?
    I don't understand that. How can it be another version of itself?

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    (Quoted from a grammar book called "圖解英文法")

    Do you think it is correct?
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    #6

    Re: the girl who won/winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

    Thank you, teechar.

    I made two typos.

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post

    e.
    The girl who was dancing here yesterday is my sister.
    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post
    c. The girl who danced here yesterday is my sister.

    d. The girl dancing here yesterday is my sister.

    e.
    The girl who was dancinghere yesterday is my sister.
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    (d) is
    a reduced relative clause of (e), not of (c). Am I right?

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    #7

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    Do you think it is those are correct?
    Yes, but I would have switched the sentences in the second example around; i.e. in the latter example, think the first sentence is the explanatory version of the second.

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    #8

    Re: the girl who won/winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

    Thank you.

    But I still feel a little confused.
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    a. What's the name of the girl who won the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize?
    = b. What's the name of the girl winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize?

    c. The girl who danced here yesterday is my sister.
    = d. The girl dancing here yesterday is my sister.
    = e. The girl who was dancing here yesterday is my sister.

    f. The book which belongs to Mary is lost.
    = g. The book belonging to Mary is lost.

    h. There are many people who use the Internet.
    = i. There are many people using the Internet.

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    1.
    a.=b. (X)
    f.=g. (O)
    h.=i. (O)

    I don't know why the first pair is incorrect but the third and the fourth are correct. They all looks similar structure to me. Could you tell me more about that?

    2.
    In the second pair:

    c.= d.= e.
    or
    d.= e., =\= c.

    Could you tell me the answer and why?
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    #9

    Re: the girl who won/winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post

    But I still feel a little confused.
    a. What's the name of the girl who won the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize?
    = b. What's the name of the girl winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize?
    Not quite. Take a look at this example:

    What was the name of the girl who was promoting the 2014 Skating Championships?
    What was the name of the girl promoting the 2014 Skating Championships?

    Those work because "promote" can have duration. In your example, "win" is an instantaneous verb; it has no duration. Therefore,
    What's the name of the girl who was winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize?
    is not possible, and so it can't be reduced.

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    #10

    Re: the girl who won/winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

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    What was the name of the girl who was promoting the 2014 Skating Championships?
    What was the name of the girl promoting the 2014 Skating Championships?

    Those work because "promote" can have duration. In your example, "win" is an instantaneous verb; it has no duration. Therefore,
    What's the name of the girl who was winning the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize?
    is not possible, and so it can't be reduced.
    Thank you for the help, teechar.

    So in these three sentences:

    c. The girl who danced here yesterday is my sister.
    d. The girl dancing here yesterday is my sister.
    e. The girl who was dancing here yesterday is my sister.

    I think "dance"
    can have duration; therefore, (d) is possible and (d) can be written as (c) or (e). Am I right?
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