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    You are correct that Welsh is not a nationality. That doesn't mean that someone can't describe themselves as Welsh and someone born in Wales might well describe themselves as "Welsh-born". It's just not a legal term.
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    You are correct that Welsh is not a nationality.
    While I agree that Welsh is not a citizenship, it is a nationality.

    http://projectbritain.com/nationality.htm

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    Hmm, I see their point but when you get into the legal terminology of it, it's not quite so clear cut. If you have to fill in your nationality on a form in the UK, you would have to put British (or whatever passport you hold), no matter how Welsh you feel.

    The term is confusing because it has a different meaning in different countries. When I worked at an airport, I dealt with a lot of paperwork on which people had to fill in a box marked "Nationality". Most Brits knew to write "British" (although a few, who were probably simply trying to make a point, wrote "Scottish" or "Welsh" etc). However, when holders of US passports came to that box, they would fill in all sorts of things - Irish, Caucasian, Afro-American, Hispanic, and plenty of other things. They were, in effect, talking about their ancestry. For holders of American passports, that box could only contain two possible answers: USA or American.
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    I believe such forms (e.g. the ones at airports) should say "citizenship" and not "nationality". They incorrectly use those two words interchangeably.

    The Welsh people even have their own language, as do the Scottish, Irish and Cornish people.

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    I'm not disputing that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are nations, nor that there are languages other than English that qualify as languages native to the UK. They are nations within the United Kingdom. However, as you can see HERE, British citizenship is just one type of British nationality. The umbrella term is "nationality". Had there been space, it might have been more helpful for that airport form to read "What passport(s) do you hold?" That would not be open to misinterpretation.
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    This is UK-specific, and doesn't apply to much of the rest of the world, though. We struggle to agree among ourselves what we are.

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    We like to be different!
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    #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    This is UK-specific, and doesn't apply to much of the rest of the world
    How about the Basque and Catalan nationalities in Spain?

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    How about the Basque and Catalan nationalities in Spain?
    The same thing applies, if you're discussing it in British English. You can't have a Basque or Catalan passport, therefore they don't fall under the legal term "nationality". Legally, they're Spanish (if, of course, they hold or are entitled to a Spanish passport).
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    #20

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    The Spanish constitution recognizes them as nationalities.

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