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    we hear/we've heard

    We hear a lot about how we should change our lives to help save our planet. Jim Barnes, 15, from Oxford, talks about what his family does every day to save the planet.

    A common UK family produces more than one ton of rubbish a year. Some of this waste takes hundreds of years to decay. Its also costs lots of money to keep buying new things to replace the things we throw away.

    So to help save the planet and save money, our family has decided to recycle everything. We collect used things, such as paper and bottles, and put them into different bins. After they are treated in the recycling place they can be used again. This will help reduce a lot of waste. We’re also going to grow our own vegetables and we already keep hens. Soon, we can eat our own eggs for breakfast.
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    (from an English textbook for junior high school students in China, published by Pearson Education and Beijing Normal University Press)

    In the first sentence, I wonder if “We hear a lot about how...” could also use the present perfect tense: “We’ve heard a lot about how...”

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    #2

    Re: we hear/we've heard

    Yes.

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    Re: we hear/we've heard

    Well, not without changing the meaning, no.

    Why would you want to do that, anyway? It's perfectly correct as it is.

    The writer chose to use the present simple there for a good reason.

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    Re: we hear/we've heard

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Well, not without changing the meaning, no.

    Why would you want to do that, anyway? It's perfectly correct as it is.

    The writer chose to use the present simple there for a good reason.
    For most/all listeners the inference would be the same. And it's "perfectly correct" either way.
    Last edited by Yankee; 14-Jul-2019 at 16:06. Reason: typo

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    Re: we hear/we've heard

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee View Post
    For most/all listeners the inference would be the same.
    What inference?

    And it's "perfectly correct" either way.
    It's not correct if it's inappropriate to the meaning. The writer obviously wanted to express the meaning that the present simple creates. Using the present perfect would be inappropriate. That's all I meant.

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    Re: we hear/we've heard

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    What inference? The inference is that "we" receive a lot of information (hear/have heard) about how we should change our lives with regard to how to change our planet. For the speaker/writer to use either form would be understood by most/all listeners/readers.



    It's not correct if it's inappropriate to the meaning. The writer obviously wanted to express the meaning that the present simple creates. Using the present perfect would be inappropriate. That's all I meant.
    Perhaps we should consult with the "writer".

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    Re: we hear/we've heard

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee View Post
    Perhaps we should consult with the "writer".
    I don't think I'm following you. Why do we need to consult the writer?

    The present simple is used here to show that the writer is thinking of the action (reading and hearing about how we should change our lives) as something that happens repeatedly, and which is therefore thought likely to continue. This is an essential use of the present simple.

    Using the present perfect would have a different effect.

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    Re: we hear/we've heard

    Quote Originally Posted by diamondcutter View Post
    We hear a lot about
    That presents a factual bit of information.

    Quote Originally Posted by diamondcutter View Post
    We've heard a lot about
    That talks about something (possibly an event) that we started hearing about some time in the past and that we may have stopped hearing about it.

    They are, therefore, not the same.
    [cross-posted]

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