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    people suffered (throug) many wars.

    In the early twentieth century, people suffered through many wars. When WWII was over, an organization called the United Nations was formed to help countries talk about their problems instead of fighting.

    (from a textbook published by DC Canada Education Publishing and Heibei Education Press, China)

    I wonder if the ‘through’ in the first sentence could be omitted.

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    #2

    Re: people suffered (throug) many wars.

    Yes.

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    #3

    Re: people suffered (throug) many wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by diamondcutter View Post
    I wonder if the ‘through’ in the first sentence could be omitted.
    What do you mean? Of course the word could be omitted. But that doesn't mean there would be no change, or that it's right, or a good idea to do so.

    If you omit prepositions, you change the grammar and the meaning and the effect of the sentence in some way.

    In this case, the grammatical change would be that the verb suffer must be read as a transitive verb (with many wars as the object) rather than as an intransitive verb as it is here. Is this what you're really asking about? Differences between transitive and intransitive uses of the verb suffer?

    If you omit through, you also lose the meaning that the word brings to the sentence. Is this what you're really asking about? What through contributes to the meaning of the sentence?

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    Re: people suffered (throug) many wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Is this what you're really asking about? What through contributes to the meaning of the sentence?
    I don't much like the use of that red question mark.

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    Re: people suffered (throug) many wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by teechar View Post
    I don't much like the use of that red question mark.
    ?

    Why did you make it red, then?

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    #6

    Re: people suffered (throug) many wars.

    To highlight it.

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    #7

    Re: people suffered (throug) many wars.

    Are you sure you weren't thinking of the following sentence?

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    #8

    Re: people suffered (throug) many wars.

    I'm sure. I think the last part should not be an independent sentence. It can be part of the first one. My point is that if that question mark is changed (for example to a dash), then the whole thing would work as one sentence.

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    #9

    Re: people suffered (throug) many wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by teechar View Post
    I'm sure. I think the last part should not be an independent sentence. It can be part of the first one. My point is that if that question mark is changed (for example to a dash), then the whole thing would work as one sentence.
    I see.

    Thanks for sharing your feelings.

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    #10

    Re: people suffered (throug) many wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Differences between transitive and intransitive uses of the verb suffer?
    teechar—I'm wondering now how you didn't pick up on the above, which is neither interrogative nor an independent sentence, and which is used in exactly the same way—to act as an addend to the question. I calculated that breaking the question up like this would give the reader a pause to focus on the main question Is this what you're really asking about?

    Even though you've made it clear that you don't like my style, can you at least understand why I decided to present things that way?
    Last edited by jutfrank; 14-Jul-2019 at 21:52.

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