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    #11

    Re: He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post
    1) He paused, as if he was to let the painful memories pass.
    (2)
    He paused, as if he was going to let the painful memories pass.
    (3)
    He paused, as if he was about to let the painful memories pass.
    (4) He paused, as if (in order) to let the painful memories pass.

    Do you mean the original sentence means (4), rather than (1), (2), or (3)?
    I've already told you what it means in post #7. Did you not understand what I said about purpose?

    And do you think (4) is different in meaning from (1), (2), or (3)?
    Yes, it is different.

    Both (2) and (3) have a sense of futurity that (4) doesn't have, and (4) has sense of purpose that (2) and (3) don't have. I can't make sense of (1).

    Read post #7 again.

    By the way, (4) is not correct with the bracketed part. Just leave the original sentence alone and try to understand its meaning as it is. If you rephrase the sentence, you're going to change the meaning. You have a habit of doing this, and I don't think it's often a good idea.
    Last edited by jutfrank; 10-Aug-2019 at 17:20. Reason: mistakes with the numbers

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    #12

    Re: He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post
    (1) He paused, as if he was to let the painful memories pass.
    (2)
    He paused, as if he was going to let the painful memories pass.
    (3)
    He paused, as if he was about to let the painful memories pass.
    (4) He paused, as if (in order) to let the painful memories pass.

    Do you mean the original sentence means (4), rather than (1), (2), or (3)?
    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    I've already told you what it means in post #7. Did you not understand what I said about purpose?
    I am embarrassed, jutfrank. Now I'll try again.

    He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass.

    In this original sentence "to" have a meaning of purpose, which means "in order to", and that's a meaning that (2) and (3) don't have, whereas (2) and (3) have a meaning of futurity that the original sentence doesn't have. So the original sentence is different from (2) and (3).

    Do I understand them correctly?
    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    I can't make sense of (1).

    be to
    be going to
    be about to


    I know they all have a meaning of futurity, but I can't tell what the difference is in meaning in detail among them. Could you help me with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    By the way, (4) is not correct with the bracketed part. Just leave the original sentence alone and try to understand its meaning as it is. If you rephrase the sentence, you're going to change the meaning.
    (5) He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass.
    (6) He paused, as if in order to let the painful memories pass.

    So do you mean that (6) is OK itself, but has different meaning from (5)? If you don't mind could you tell me what the difference is in meaning between them?
    Last edited by kadioguy; 10-Aug-2019 at 17:25.
    I am not a teacher. If there is anything ungrammatical in my post, please correct it. I am grateful for your help.

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    #13

    Re: He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post
    He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass.

    In this original sentence "to" have a meaning of purpose, which means "in order to", and that's a meaning that (2) and (3) don't have, whereas (2) and (3) have a meaning of futurity that the original sentence doesn't have. So the original sentence is different from (2) and (3).

    That's right.

    be to
    be going to
    be about to


    I know they all have a meaning of futurity, but I can't tell what the difference is in meaning in detail among them. Could you help me with that?
    Yes, but start a new thread if you want us to answer that.

    (5) He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass.
    (6) He paused, as if in order to let the painful memories pass.

    So do you mean that (6) is OK itself, but has different meaning from (5)?
    No.

    I meant to say that you shouldn't actually use in order in the sentence. I just brought it up to help explain the sense of purpose. Stop trying to change the original sentence. If you insist on a paraphrase, I'll repeat what I said in post #7:

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Another way of explaining the sense of the sentence is: it seemed that the reason he paused was to let the painful memories pass.
    Another paraphrase is this:

    He paused, with the apparent purpose of letting painful memories pass.

    Is it clear now?
    Last edited by jutfrank; 10-Aug-2019 at 17:36.

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    #14

    Re: He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass

    (2) He paused, as if he was going to let the painful memories pass.
    (3) He paused, as if he was about to let the painful memories pass.
    (5) He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass.

    Can I say that the three sentences are all fine themselves, but that they have different meanings?
    I am not a teacher. If there is anything ungrammatical in my post, please correct it. I am grateful for your help.

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    #15

    Re: He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Another paraphrase is this:

    He paused, with the apparent purpose of letting painful memories pass.

    Is it clear now?
    Yes, it is very clear. Thank you for the paraphrase, jutfrank.
    I am not a teacher. If there is anything ungrammatical in my post, please correct it. I am grateful for your help.

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    #16

    Re: He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass

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    (2) He paused, as if he was going to let the painful memories pass.
    (3) He paused, as if he was about to let the painful memories pass.
    (5) He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass.

    Can I say that the three sentences are all fine themselves, but that they have different meanings?
    (Quoted from the Practical English Usage 3rd)

    213.1
    If we say that something in the future is going to happen, it is usually already planned or decided, or it is starting to happen, or we can see it coming now.

    5
    About + infinitive (with to) means 'going to very soon'; 'just going to'.
    Don't go out now - we're about to have lunch.
    I was about to go to bed when the telephone rang

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    So I think that sentence (2) and sentence (3) are both acceptable, and that they have similar meaning. Am I right?
    I am not a teacher. If there is anything ungrammatical in my post, please correct it. I am grateful for your help.

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    #17

    Re: He paused, as if to let the painful memories pass

    Well, I don't think they fit in this sentence. I can't see what the point of introducing a sense of futurity would be.

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