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1 - By Saturday I will have finished my work.
2 - I won't have finished my work until Saturday.
How common is it, in everyday English, to use the Future Perfect? Would there be more natural ways to express the same ideas as in the sentences above (which I myself came up with) with no or little change in meaning? What would a native say?
Every one of the English verbal tenses (18 with the emphatic forms) exists because it is reasonably common and natural.
Precision in specifying temporal relations is absolutely fundamental to the way the native speakers of the language learn to think.
Retired proofreader. ESL tutor. Not a teacher. Nor a typist, evidently.
I'm too weak to resist. In the indicative only, uncoloured by modality, conditionality, or subjunctives:
Present: I run -- I am running -- I have run -- I have been running -- I do run
Past: I ran -- I was running -- I had run -- I had been running -- I did run
Future: I'll run -- I'll be running -- I'll have run -- I'll have been running
Future reported in the past: I'd run -- I'd be running -- I'd have run -- I'd have been running
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Retired proofreader. ESL tutor. Not a teacher. Nor a typist, evidently.
I'd say we have two tenses there, unmarked (the traditional present) and marked (the traditional past). You have shown for each three/four forms/aspects/whatever in addition to the simple - the progressive/continuous/durative, the perfect/retrospective, a combination of the last two, and the emphatic.
You did say that you were going to present forms 'uncoloured by modality'. Is will not a modal?Future: I'll run -- I'll be running -- I'll have run -- I'll have been running
Future reported in the past: I'd run -- I'd be running -- I'd have run -- I'd have been running
We're about to be exiled to Language Discussion, I think.
(1) English verb tenses as taught both to learners and to schoolchildren combine linguistic tense and aspect, thus producing 4x4+2 = 18 tenses, or perhaps 16 if the emphatic do forms are to be considered modal.
(2) Will can definitely be modal, to mark desire as opposed to the obligation carried by shall. Unlike shall in contemporary speech however, it and its past would are also, and more importantly, neutral markers of future and reported-future time. In
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the auxiliaries will and would carry no more modality than the auxiliaries have or been.
As for phrasings such as he used to go there every day and he is going to tell her tomorrow, I believe they are auxiliary in English in the same way as the periphrastic forms are auxiliary in in Latin. (Obviously the only strictly non-periphrastic forms in English are the simple present and past.)
Retired proofreader. ESL tutor. Not a teacher. Nor a typist, evidently.
Quite probably.
The number of forms presented to learners varies considerably:(1) English verb tenses as taught both to learners and to schoolchildren combine linguistic tense and aspect, thus producing 4x4+2 = 18 tenses,
or perhaps 16 if the emphatic do forms are to be considered modal.
Some teachers/writers present only the present and past (simple) forms as tenses;
Many include progressive/continuous and perfect forms (present/past progressive, perfect and perfect-progressive);
Some still include forms with will as future tenses (future progressive, perfect and perfect-progressive);
I have even seen forms with would presented as tenses (conditional and/or future-in the past);
I have never before seen forms with emphatic do presented as tenses or modal.
I don't agree. The use of Will/would assert certainty, contrasted with lesser degrees of certainty implied by other modals. Will/would are no more or less 'neutral' than BE going to. Interestingly the certainty of will can be about present as well as future situations - He will be there now vs He will be there tomorrow. BE going to is used only of future situations.(2) Will can definitely be modal, to mark desire as opposed to the obligation carried by shall. Unlike shall in contemporary speech however, it and its past would are also, and more importantly, neutral markers of future and reported-future time.
I consider those two forms to be aspects, habitual (used to) and prospective (BE going to), but accept that not many use these terms.As for phrasings such as he used to go there every day and he is going to tell her tomorrow, I believe they are auxiliary in English in the same way as the periphrastic forms are auxiliary in in Latin. (Obviously the only strictly non-periphrastic forms in English are the simple present and past.)