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    Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy
    Most of the members here are interested in talking about language and are patient with learners.
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    a. Most of the members here are interested in talking about language ....
    b.
    Most the members here are interested in talking about language ....
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    1. (a) has "of", whereas (b) doesn't. What does this mean?
    2. Do (a) and (b) have the same effective meaning?
    3. Which one is better? Which one would you use?


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    Re: Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    "Most of the members" means "a larger proportion of members".
    "Most members" means a "higher number of members".
    There us no significant difference between them in the sentence.
    I am not a teacher or a native speaker.

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    Re: Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    Only use the first one (with "of").
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    Re: Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    Quote Originally Posted by tedmc View Post
    "Most of the members" means "a larger proportion of members".
    "Most members" means a "higher number of members".
    There us no significant difference between them in the sentence.
    That would be true if the second one said Most members. It doesn't. It says Most the members. (I had to read them three or four times to notice a difference between the two.)
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    Re: Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    kadioguy
    Are you sure you meant to write "most the members"? I thought that was a typo.
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    Re: Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    Quote Originally Posted by tedmc View Post
    kadioguy
    Are you sure you meant to write "most the members"? I thought that was a typo.
    Yes, I am. But I should have added your and Tarheel's version when I wrote in post #1.

    Thanks to you both, now I know:

    a. Most of the members here are interested in talking about language .... (O)
    b.
    Most the members here are interested in talking about language .... (X)
    c.
    Most members here are interested in talking about language .... (O)
    Last edited by kadioguy; 13-Oct-2019 at 09:08.
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    Re: Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    Quote Originally Posted by tedmc View Post
    "Most of the members" means "a larger proportion of members".
    "Most members" means a "higher number of members".
    There us no significant difference between them in the sentence.
    Did you mean "is"?
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    Re: Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    a. Most of the members here ...
    b. Most members here ...

    1) The difference between these two forms is the inclusion of the definite article the, which gives phrase a. a specific reference that b. lacks.

    The fact that a. also includes of, where b. does not, is irrelevant to the difference in meaning. It's just that you have to use of to connect Most to the.

    2) Phrase a., since it includes the, has a specific reference. This means that it refers to a specific set of members. It helps the reader to pick out from the world which members the writer is thinking about. That specific set of members is the members of this particular forum, not any other members.

    3) Phrase b., since it does not include a determiner (the), does not have such a specific reference. Therefore, it is not quite as good as sentence a. in that it is not quite so helpful to the reader to pick out which members are being referred to.

    4) However, what saves phrase b. to a large extent is the inclusion of the word here, which makes it quite clear to the reader which members are being referred to.

    5) Since the word here makes it clear which members are being referred to, a reader would understand both a. and b. in exactly the same way, giving both sentences the same effective meaning.

    6) Having said that, a. is still slightly better because it has clearer reference, so use a.
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    Re: Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    Thank you so much, jutfrank.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    a. Most of the members here ...
    b. Most members here ...

    1) The difference between these two forms is the inclusion of the definite article the, with gives phrase a. a specific reference that b. lacks.
    Do you mean "which"?
    I am not a teacher. If there is anything ungrammatical in my post, please correct it. I am grateful for your help.

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    Re: Most of/X the members here are interested in talking about language

    Yes, I did. I'll change that error now.

    Thanks for pointing it out.

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