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    Re: Me too vs You too

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    I have frequently noticed Americans in person or in movies or in books say "Me too".

    That may be true, but I don't have to like it.

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    Hello, Tarheel:

    I thought that you'd like these words that I read for the first time this morning. They were written by Clarence Barnhart (1900 - 1993), who edited many American dictionaries.


    a. "Every person has his own style of English; there is no English language. There's your English language, XYZ's English language, and they overlap, and it is the overlapping that I try to get at."

    P.S. I hasten to remind my fellow learners of English that today "his" is not accepted as a genderless pronoun. One would say either "his/her" or "their" in that quoted sentence.


    Source: The Oxford Companion to the English Language (1992), page 106.

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    #12

    Re: Me too vs You too

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    P.S. I hasten to remind my fellow learners of English that today "his" is not accepted as a genderless pronoun.
    That may be the case for many, but not nearly for all.

    As Barnhart astutely recognises, there is no one English language.

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    #13

    Re: Me too vs You too

    What about "ditto"?
    To live only for some future goal is shallow. It's the sides of the mountain that sustain life, not the top.

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    #14

    Re: Me too vs You too

    No. Do not say ditto.

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    #15

    Re: Me too vs You too

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    That may be the case for many, but not nearly for all.

    As Barnhart astutely recognises, there is no one English language.
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    Hello, Jutfrank:

    If a member here uses "his" as a genderless pronoun, am I right that it is very probable that a moderator would suggest using "his/her" or "their"?

    Being 82 years old, I just naturally say "his," but I am now becoming used to "his/her." I absolutely refuse, however, to say or write "their," although I acknowledge that it seems to have become widespread as the genderless pronoun.

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    #16

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    Hi, The Parser

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    If a member here uses "his" as a genderless pronoun, am I right that it is very probable that a moderator would suggest using "his/her" or "their"?
    I'd say that's pretty likely, yes. There are some (perhaps not as many as you might think) who would take issue with that usage. Personally, I wouldn't, since like you I sometimes use it myself.

    One of the issues there is that if you want to avoid using genderless he/him/his at all costs, you are forced to avoid certain other words too. Utterances like Man has reached his peak cannot be rephrased to Man has reached their peak, or Man has reached his/her peak, for instance, and Man has reached its peak really doesn't work for me.

    Being 82 years old, I just naturally say "his," but I am now becoming used to "his/her." I absolutely refuse, however, to say or write "their," although I acknowledge that it seems to have become widespread as the genderless pronoun.
    I don't particularly like their very much, either. I don't mind his/her at all, in the right place.

    Thanks for the Barnhart quote, by the way. I love it.
    Last edited by jutfrank; 19-Oct-2019 at 22:17.

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    #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Utterances like Man has reached his peak cannot be rephrased to Man has reached their peak, or Man has reached his/her peak, for instance, and Man has reached its peak really doesn't work for me.
    Me neither, but Humankind has reached its peak expresses the idea perfectly.
    I am not a teacher.

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