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    #1

    John had not had a true friend since he had left University.

    Are the following two sentences same in terms of meaning? Please explain.

    John had not had a true friend since he had left University.
    John did not have a true friend since he had left University.

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    #2

    Re: John had not had a true friend since he had left University.

    Quote Originally Posted by hatimhussain View Post
    Are the following two sentences same in terms of meaning? Please explain.

    John had not had a true friend since he had left university.
    John did not have a true friend since he had left university.

    Hatim Hussain
    They do not mean the same thing. Give me some context and I will comment further.
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    #3

    Re: John had not had a true friend since he had left University.

    A useful comment at this point would be to say that the second sentence is incorrect.

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    #4

    Re: John had not had a true friend since he had left University.

    I cannot recall at the moment the context where I read the first sentence, i.e.

    John had not had a true friend since he had left university;

    however, when I read this sentence, I tried to rephrase it by writing;

    John did not have a true friend since he had left university;

    So, is it still possible for you to please define why the meaning of the above sentences is not same.


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    #5

    Re: John had not had a true friend since he had left University.

    The second sentence is not possible, so you shouldn't ask what it means.

    You should think about the difference in meaning between the two correct sentences below.

    a) John has not had a true friend since leaving university.
    b) John had not had a true friend since leaving university.

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    #6

    Re: John had not had a true friend since he had left University.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    The second sentence is not possible, so you shouldn't ask what it means.

    You should think about the difference in meaning between the two correct sentences below.

    a) John has not had a true friend since leaving university.
    b) John had not had a true friend since leaving university.
    Are my meanings okay?

    a) This sentence means, 'right after leaving university till now' John has not got any true friend.
    b) This one means, 'right after leaving university till a certain past time (unspecified/not mentioned)' John had not got any true friend.

    I am NOT a teacher.

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    #7

    Re: John had not had a true friend since he had left University.

    Yes, learner7, that is correct.

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    #8

    Re: John had not had a true friend since he had left University.

    Quote Originally Posted by learner7 View Post
    Are my meanings okay?

    a) This sentence means, 'right after leaving university till now' John has not got any true friend.
    b) This one means, 'right after leaving university till a certain past time (unspecified/not mentioned)' John had not got any true friend.

    I am NOT a teacher.
    In the first one he still doesn't have a true friend. In the second one he did or still does have a true friend.
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