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    #1

    their early days in Seattle

    Are all these sentences correct:

    1) In its early days in Seattle, their group wasn't very popular. But when they moved to London, things began to change.

    2) In its early days in Philadelphia, their group wasn't very popular, but after their manager changed their style, they became Seattle's biggest rock band.

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    In its earlier days in Seattle, their group wasn't very popular. But when they moved to London, things began to change.

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    ) In its earlier days in Philadelphia, their group wasn't very popular, but after their manager changed their style, they became Seattle's biggest rock band.


    In '1' and '3' the 'early days'/'the earlier days' were in Seattle and then they move to London. In '2' and '4' however they stay in Seattle after the 'early days'/'the earlier days'.

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    #2

    Re: their early days in Seattle

    There is no grammatical difference between early and earlier. Their physical location has no grammatical influence on the location of their popularity. All four of your sentences are fine.
    Last edited by J&K Tutoring; 05-Dec-2019 at 00:49.

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    Re: their early days in Seattle

    Thank you very much for your reply,

    One more question. Are these two fine as well:

    5) In its early days in Philadelphia, their group wasn't very popular, but after they changed their style, the became Philadelphia's biggest rock band.

    6) In its earlier days in Philadelphia, their group wasn't very popular, but after they changed their style, the became Philadelphia's biggest rock band.
    In these sentences they stay in Philadelphia. Their earlier days are in Philadelphia and their later days are in Philadelphia as well.

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    Last edited by navi tasan; 05-Dec-2019 at 09:12.

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    #4

    Re: their early days in Seattle

    The same error occurs in both sentences. Probably it's just a typo. Can you find it?

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    #5

    Re: their early days in Seattle

    Aren't 5 and 6 the same?
    I am not a teacher or a native speaker.

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    #6

    Re: their early days in Seattle

    Thank you very much,

    Yes, it was a typo. You have a sharp eye! I had to read the sentence a couple of times to find the typo!

    I had written 'the' instead 'they', here:
    the became Philadelphia's biggest rock band.


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    t should have been:
    "they became Philadelphia 's biggest rock band."

    '5' and '6' are not the same. In one we have 'in its early days' and in the other one we have 'in its earlier
    days'.

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    #7

    Re: their early days in Seattle

    Its/their does not work well for me- things should be consistent. Mind you, I tend to use the plural for collective nouns.

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    #8

    Re: their early days in Seattle

    Perhaps:

    In their early days they weren't very popular, but after they changed their style things took off.
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    #9

    Re: their early days in Seattle

    You've corrected the typo, so let's look at your latest examples. I assume you're already aware of the difference in the treatment of collective nouns between BrE and AmE. Since your profile indicates you are located in the US, I suggest you adhere to that method and, as Tdol pointed out, you should strive to be consistent.

    As I pointed out in post #2, there's no grammatical difference between early and earlier, so I'll use only one of your examples. My suggestions apply to both. This is a compound sentence, so I'll deal with each independent clause individually- you'll see why.

    In its early days in Philadelphia, their group wasn't very popular.
    a. I don't know why you have Philadelphia in bold- it's not necessary.
    b. The group (a single business entity) was not popular, so its is proper.
    c. I recommend changing their to the, because we're talking about the popularity of the group as a thing; not the individuals within the group.
    After they changed their style, they became Philadelphia's biggest rock band.
    d. Here, we are talking about something the individuals did (a band cannot change itself)- they changed their style- so we can use their and they.
    e. What to do about "they became..."? Should we switch back to it as in the previous clause? I don't think so. It sounds more natural to stay with they. While this may not seem strictly consistent, I think it sounds more natural than the alternatives.

    In its early days in Philadelphia, the group wasn't very popular, but when they changed their style, they became Philadelphia's biggest rock band.

    f. You might also reinsert the band name, as in: but when they changed their style, Fester & Carbuncle became Philadelphia's biggest rock band.




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