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    #1

    There is a key on the table there.

    There is a key on the table there.

    (My original sentence)
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    I am wondering if this sentence is correct.

    I saw a kind of explanation in which it sees "there is a key" as an inversion of "a key is there". If so, my sentence above will be incorrect, or it will be "a key is on the table there there".

    What do you think?
    I am not a teacher. If there is anything ungrammatical in my post, please correct it. I am grateful for your help.

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    #2

    Re: There is a key on the table there.

    The first sentence is okay but the transformed sentence is wrong.

    I don't understand what you're trying to do or why.

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    #3

    Re: There is a key on the table there.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    The first sentence is okay but the transformed sentence is wrong.

    I don't understand what you're trying to do or why.
    Thank you for the reply, jutfrank.

    I saw a kind of explanation in which it sees "there is XXX" as an inversion of "XXX is there".

    According to that kind of explanation, we see

    (a) "There is a key" is an inversion of (b) "a key is there".

    (c) "There is a key there" is an inversion of (d) "a key is there there".

    (e) "
    There is a key on the table there" is an inversion of (f) "a key is on the table there there".

    What do you think? (I think (d) and (f) are strange.)
    I am not a teacher. If there is anything ungrammatical in my post, please correct it. I am grateful for your help.

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    #4

    Re: There is a key on the table there.

    We're moving into strange paces when we're using there there. Stick with the original.

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    #5

    Re: There is a key on the table there.

    (a) "There is a key."

    (c) "There is a key there."

    Do they have the same effect?
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    #6

    Re: There is a key on the table there.

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post
    (a) "There is a key."

    (c) "There is a key there."

    Do they have the same effect?
    No. The first states that a key exists. The second tells us a key's location.

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    #7

    Re: There is a key on the table there.

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post
    I saw a kind of explanation in which it sees "there is XXX" as an inversion of "XXX is there"
    I guess that you don't agree with that.

    Am I right?
    I am not a teacher. If there is anything ungrammatical in my post, please correct it. I am grateful for your help.

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    #8

    Re: There is a key on the table there.

    I certainly don't agree that "There is" (existence) is an inversion of "is there" (location).
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #9

    Re: There is a key on the table there.

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post
    I saw a kind of explanation in which it sees "there is XXX" as an inversion of "XXX is there".

    According to that kind of explanation, we see

    (a) "There is a key" is an inversion of (b) "a key is there".
    You can't really do that. To repeat what other members have said, the initial There is an existential 'there'. If you invert the sentence, it reads as a place adverb.

    Where did you see this particular explanation? What was the point the writer was trying to make?

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    #10

    Re: There is a key on the table there.

    Quote Originally Posted by kadioguy View Post
    (a) "There is a key."

    (c) "There is a key there."

    Do they have the same effect?
    No, the effect is quite different. The second sentence is about location. The first isn't.

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