[Grammar] If you (present verb), you would ...

Status
Not open for further replies.

kadioguy

Key Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
Taiwan
Current Location
Taiwan
jutfrank:

If you use the article a, you would be using Wade Watts as a countable noun.

https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/...o-Wade-Watts?p=1592607&viewfull=1#post1592607

Charlie Bernstein:

If you think the subject is hero, then the and an would both make sense.

https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/...o-Wade-Watts?p=1592609&viewfull=1#post1592609

----------

a. If you use the article a, you would be using ...

b.If you use the article a, you will be using ...

c. If you used the article a, you would be using ...

What different effects exist between these three? I am asking this question because (a), the mixed construction, is more confusing. :-?
 

Charlie Bernstein

VIP Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2009
Member Type
Other
Native Language
English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
. . .

a. If you use the article a, you would be using ...

b.If you use the article a, you will be using ...

c. If you used the article a, you would be using ...

What different effects exist between these three? I am asking this question because (a), the mixed construction, is more confusing. :-?
They're all natural, and for practical purposes they mean the same thing.

I like B and C more than A. To me, A is a little mixed up, B means that you might say "a," and C is explaining why you shouldn't.

But I'm not a grammarian, so don't trust me. Let's let one of them tackle it.
 

jutfrank

VIP Member
Joined
Mar 5, 2014
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
English
Home Country
England
Current Location
England
a. If you use the article a, you would be using ...

b.If you use the article a, you will be using ...

c. If you used the article a, you would be using ...

Forget about a. I had no good reason to mix it like that.
 

kadioguy

Key Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
Taiwan
Current Location
Taiwan

Hi,
Charlie Bernstein. :)

If you don't mind, could you please also tell me about your mixed construction in this sentence?

Charlie Bernstein:

If you think the subject is hero, then the and an would both make sense.
 
Last edited:

kadioguy

Key Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
Taiwan
Current Location
Taiwan
Forget about a. I had no good reason to mix it like that.


Hi,
Charlie Bernstein.

If you don't mind, could you please also tell me about your mixed construction in this sentence?

I assume that this kind of mixed construction is very natural for native speakers to use, although they may have another idea when seeing it for the second time, as in post #4. :)

What do you think?
 

kadioguy

Key Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
Taiwan
Current Location
Taiwan
I assume that this kind of mixed construction is very natural for native speakers to use, although they may have another idea when seeing it for the second time, as in post #4.

What do you think?

Hi, members. :)

Can we say that this kind of mixed construction is a little mixed up, but it's very natural for native speakers to use, and its meaning is between real and unreal?

What do you think about my opinion?
 

kadioguy

Key Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
Taiwan
Current Location
Taiwan
Hi, members.

Can we say that this kind of mixed construction is a little mixed up, but it's very natural for native speakers to use, and its meaning is between real and unreal?

I asked this question because this use is confusing to learners. I tried to give my explanation for it. Could someone give your opinion? :)
 
Last edited:

kadioguy

Key Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
Taiwan
Current Location
Taiwan
My mistake!
I think that this kind of mixed construction is a little mixed up, but it's natural for native speakers to use, and its meaning is between real and unreal.

That's my opinion. What do you think? :-?
 

kadioguy

Key Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Chinese
Home Country
Taiwan
Current Location
Taiwan
jutfrank:

First of all, I don't usually think in terms of first or second conditional types, because those are types of form, not meaning.

But yes, it does seem on the surface as though the speaker is stuck somewhere between real and unreal. I think this is because I would appreciate it if ... is something of a standard expression to make a request. The latter part, with the present tense, shows he/she was thinking of it as a real possibility.

In terms of form, you could think of it as 'mixed'.
https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/...ere-reported?p=1588849&viewfull=1#post1588849
--------
To some extent can I apply the reply to my question here? and then:


I think that this kind of mixed construction is a little mixed up, but it's natural for native speakers to use, and its meaning is between real (the former part) and unreal (the latter part).

What do you think?
 
Last edited:

jutfrank

VIP Member
Joined
Mar 5, 2014
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
English
Home Country
England
Current Location
England
Yes, I think speakers can sometimes get stuck between real and unreal.

And sometimes they start off by trying to utter a real sentence, but something happens along the way and the sentence ends up unreal. Or vice versa.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top