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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    I haven't got time to listen to fifteen minutes of a recording to try to spot a 'gold'. Can you give a minute:second (e.g; 11.37) time at which I can hear the word, please.

    The whole video may serve as a example of what?
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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    Quote Originally Posted by GrandLizard View Post
    Here is the link:

    https://youtu.be/yxLeYN-t9nw

    In fact, the whole video may serve as an example.
    The speaker has a speech impediment that affects his pronunciation of /r/ and /l/.
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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    I was not able to pick and pinpoint this precise word in the video. Yet, I was able to find another recording to corroborate my claim. The word under consideration is people. Again, one can hear that [oʊ] sound.

    Below is the link:

    https://youtu.be/8a8GlAf6Gv8

    One can find the word under consideration at about 0:26.

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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    The speaker has a speech impediment that affects his pronunciation of /r/ and /l/.
    Then I must have chosen an erroneous example.

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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    Quote Originally Posted by GrandLizard View Post
    What is the cause of such an interesting phenomenon?
    Their accent. Different speakers have different accents.
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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    As I said before, I have never heard the /oʊd/ version, but it may exist in some dialects. Where did you hear it?
    I know exactly what GrandLizard means. It is extremely common in England. It's not dialectic, it's just part of a certain accent in southern England. I do it myself.

    The /l/ in gold is replaced by a /w/ sound.

    My friends sometimes mock me for pronouncing the supermarket Aldi and the car Audi in the same way. This is the same phenomenon.

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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    I find this part most charming. Thank you!

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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    Does this represent the fading of a liquid /l/ into a /w/?
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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post

    The /l/ in gold is replaced by a /w/ sound.
    Do you mean /w/, the approximant at the beginning of 'wind' or /ʊ/, the vowel in 'put'?
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    Re: Concerning pronunciation of the word: 'Gold'

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    Does this represent the fading of a liquid /l/ into a /w/?
    Yes, kind of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    Do you mean /w/, the approximant at the beginning of 'wind' or /ʊ/, the vowel in 'put'?
    I think the latter is probably a better way to transcribe it.

    The effect is a kind of 'L-vocalisation'. The following passage is from this Wiki page:

    More extensive L-vocalization is a notable feature of certain dialects of English, including Cockney, Estuary English, New York English, New Zealand English, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia English and Australian English, in which an /l/ sound occurring at the end of a word (but usually not when the next word begins with a vowel and is pronounced without a pause) or before a consonant is pronounced as some sort of close back vocoid: [w], [o] or [ʊ]. The resulting sound may not always be rounded. The precise phonetic quality varies. It can be heard occasionally in the dialect of the English East Midlands, where words ending in -old can be pronounced /oʊd/. KM Petyt (1985) noted this feature in the traditional dialect of West Yorkshire but said it has died out. However, in recent decades, l-vocalization has been spreading outwards from London and the south east; John C. Wells argued that it is probable that it will become the standard pronunciation in England over the next one hundred years, which Petyt criticised in a book review.
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