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    Re: Her sympathy was ours

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    I can't see a problem with any of this.

    Shelley is simply attempting to characterise Elizabeth as a saintly figure. The sense of sympathy is in relation to this characterisation.

    St. Peter once called on Christians to be of one mind. Sympathy understood as oneness of disposition was thus a possible trait of devout Christians or saints.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    I can't see a problem with any of this.
    What's the problem here exactly? Understanding the sense of sympathy in the context? Or the particular phrasing of the words in bold (which doesn't seem to me to be very strange at all)?
    There are two problems. One is the meaning of sympathy. The other, related to the first, is how to interpret the sentence frame X's sympathy is Y's with regard to the overall context.
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    #32

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    Okay, I understand the question now. I thought you were asking if there was evidence within the four words themselves. . . .
    That was the original question. It's morphed.
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    #33

    Re: Her sympathy was ours

    Shelley might have intended to use "sympathy" as we are familiar with it today. If the resulting passage is not coherent enough, that could only mean her style is not worth emulating.
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    #34

    Re: Her sympathy was ours

    Quote Originally Posted by raymondaliasapollyon View Post
    Shelley might have intended to use "sympathy" as we are familiar with it today. If the resulting passage is not coherent enough, that could only mean her style is not worth emulating.
    Yes. Outdated English often needs some untangling. The only reason to write as Shelley did would be to mimic the language of the era.

    An ambitious example of a contemporary author imitating the writing of a bygone time (the mid-eighteenth century) is Thomas Pynchon's Mason and Dixon.
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    #35

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    If the resulting passage is not coherent enough, that could only mean her style is not worth emulating.
    I doubt if the style of any writer of two centuries ago is 'worth emulating' today.
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    #36

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    I doubt if the style of any writer of two centuries ago is 'worth emulating' today.
    As I say, try Mason and Dixon — a pitch-perfect parody of the style of the day.
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    #37

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    I doubt if the style of any writer of two centuries ago is 'worth emulating' today.
    You probably have not encountered teachers in East Asia who claim students should read English classics to take their English to a new level.

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    #38

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    You probably have not encountered teachers in East Asia who claim students should read English classics to take their English to a new level.
    I definitely have not! As for your English, I would say it's so good you could teach ESL if you wanted to.
    Not a professional teacher

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    #39

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    You probably have not encountered teachers in East Asia who claim students should read English classics to take their English to a new level.
    That's not a bad idea for fluent, motivated, curious students.
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    That's not a bad idea for fluent, motivated, curious students.
    If they follow the advice, they'll run the risk of picking up expressions or sentence patterns that'd be viewed as pet peeves by contemporary standards.

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