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    #11

    Re: flea market promotion

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    This is the very reason I have deleted many of your threads in the past: failure to give full context and/or source of quoted text after due warnings.

    I'd have deleted this if it hadn't already receives replies.
    This is my student's writing for his school work and I don't understand why you think my replies haven't been proper. I've tried my best to give best replies so far.
    Sometimes I can't get perfect and complete information as I teach the materials to my students and the materials I see have limited contexts.

    And I don't think other threads' replies are so well made as mine. If you always threaten me like this, I can't help but take some action for you.
    Last edited by keannu; 25-Jun-2020 at 23:00.

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    #12

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    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    This is my student's writing for his school work
    That is exactly the context and explanation that should appear in post #1. Similarly, you could/should put "This is taken from materials I have to teach my students. I'm afraid I don't know the author or the source". You need to put that kind of explanation in every thread.

    Why has it taken until the start of page 2 of responses for you to tell us that this is your student's school work? You've been a member of the forum for ten years now - surely you've learnt that we need to know such information right at the start.
    Based on your statement in the quote box, do we take it that you are an English teacher? If not, why are your students doing their school work in English? If you are an English teacher, why do you constantly need our help? Also, why does your member profile not say "English teacher"?
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    That is exactly the context and explanation that should appear in post #1. Similarly, you could/should put "This is taken from materials I have to teach my students. I'm afraid I don't know the author or the source". You need to put that kind of explanation in every thread.

    Why has it taken until the start of page 2 of responses for you to tell us that this is your student's school work? You've been a member of the forum for ten years now - surely you've learnt that we need to know such information right at the start.
    Based on your statement in the quote box, do we take it that you are an English teacher? If not, why are your students doing their school work in English? If you are an English teacher, why do you constantly need our help? Also, why does your member profile not say "English teacher"?
    First of all, for the last ten years, I have found tons of threads which don't specify concrete sources as below, but you and Rover mentioned something about it like the above. I can cite numerous examples. So it's quite evident that it is definitely a racial discrimination or groundless harassment, so you are only targeting me and a few others for lacking this background source even though I tried my best to present to you. This is almost a legal issue that you can't ignore.
    And what difference does it make whether I provide you with the background information or not when the answer is all the same? I used to get good answers before, but after Rover had become the manager, everything has changed.

    I can't help but judge that this is either a racial discrimination or a silly action of a cantankerous old man.
    Before I make a worse comment about your irrational actions to many members officially, don't even try to think about making any negative comment about my thread.

    *Context-less questions
    https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/t...0945-Duck-face
    https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/t...are-people-who

    The reason why I need your help is because that even though I'm an English teacher, I lack natural speaking skills as native speakers. But in the Korean educational environment, Korean English teachers are needed to teach English grammar and reading in Korean, which can come across to students as more effectively than what native speaker teachers can provide. Of course, I can't teach speaking English to them.
    The other reason is that I also specified my occupation as "English tutor" in my profile, but what native English teacher is to Korean English teacher is what professional "Go-Baduk" players are to amateur "Go-Baduk" players. The former is perfect enough to make their living, while the latter is able to teach, but still lack natural skills.

    Please understand my situation and I hope we can go as well as we have done so far.
    Last edited by keannu; 27-Jun-2020 at 15:34.

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    #14

    Re: flea market promotion

    Keanu, no one is being racist with you or harassing you. All you were asked is to simply clarify where the text that you inquired about came from. There are several reasons we ask for that information. Here are a few:
    1- Copyright issues might be applicable.
    2- It helps us better understand the text, and thus to provide a more accurate answer.
    3- If the writer is non native, we can weed out a lot of poor content right from the start.
    4- If the writer is a native speaker, we may ask for more context or see if he/she made a mistake.
    5- If the text was written by a learner, we can focus on correcting any mistakes.
    Again, what emsr2d2 is asking from you is legitimate and fair. And I reiterate, there is absolutely no racism or harassment in that post above. I think you misread/misunderstood it.

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    #15

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    I think keannu's point is that he feels the moderators have been unduly harsh in pursuing him for not stating the source of his post while the same treatment has not been applied to others with the same vigour (from the links he has given).
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 28-Jun-2020 at 08:26. Reason: fixing typo
    I am not a teacher or a native speaker.

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    #16

    Re: flea market promotion

    As pointed out earlier, keannu has a long history of failing to provide full context after numerous requests. There's a limit to our patience, and only so many warnings can be given before deletions and/or infractions are considered. For every post without context that slips through we could show you five or six where this has been asked for. Only repeat offenders face sanctions, and not before warnings have been given – either in the open forum or by private messages. And for a member to accuse another of racial discrimination is, frankly, despicable.

    Regarding the second link above, the context and source appear in the very first sentence: I was talking about India and said that English is one of the official languages in India.
    Last edited by Rover_KE; 28-Jun-2020 at 11:23.

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    #17

    Re: flea market promotion

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    This is almost a legal issue that you can't ignore.
    It is a legal issue as forums can be prosecuted for unauthorised content that gets posted on them. It has nothing to do with ethnicity and harassment; it is about the strict enforcement of copyright laws in certain countries. The site is hosted on servers in the UK, which is a strict enforcer. To defend ourselves, we have to be able to show that we were trying to avoid materials being posted online that breach copyright. We delete all links to downloads that breach copyright, and ask people to source quotes, which brings them into the fair use aspect of copyright material.

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    #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    As pointed out earlier, keannu has a long history of failing to provide full context after numerous requests. There's a limit to our patience, and only so many warnings can be given before deletions and/or infractions are considered. For every post without context that slips through we could show you five or six where this has been asked for. Only repeat offenders face sanctions, and not before warnings have been given – either in the open forum or by private messages. And for a member to accuse another of racial discrimination is, frankly, despicable.

    Regarding the second link above, the context and source appear in the very first sentence: I was talking about India and said that English is one of the official languages in India.

    Rover! Do you think "I was talking about India" is the proper context? Why didn't you ask the poster about "Who is I", "Where did you find this writing",etc?

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    Regarding the second link above, the context and source appear in the very first sentence:
    I was talking about India and said that English is one of the official languages in India.
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    Also, why do you skip this one and other numerous ones without context that you have never commented on?
    I can't find any consistency in your treating threads in terms of contexts provided.
    Why didn't you ask the thread-poster about "Who is the girl?","Who said this"? "Where did you find these sentences?", etc?

    ================================================
    https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/t...0945-Duck-face
    Are both sentences correct?

    1. 'The girl in the picture is making 'duck face'.

    2. 'The girl in the picture is pouting her lips.'
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    For this thread "TOPIC : Promoting a flea market item" is enough context, but you always ask me like a detective questions like "Who wrote this? Where did you find the source?"

    I never do anything that can violate copyright issues as most of my materials are from Korean textbooks or reference books and my or student's writings.
    For the last ten years, I haven't done anything illegal, except for the things that have helped my students get good grades in their school exams and college entrance exams.
    I've given you context but your questions about contexts randomly change, which I can't follow it, and sometimes it drives me crazy.

    Please be consistent in asking for context, and if you do need strict contexts, please suggest mandatory items such as "author", "purpose", etc and please don't answer any thread which violates it.

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    TOPIC : Promoting a flea market item
    1. What do you have? I have an acoustic guitar.
    2. When did you buy it? I bought it two years ago.
    3. How much was it? It was 160,000 won.
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    Last edited by keannu; 28-Jun-2020 at 17:18.

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    #19

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    Thread closed. We have more heat than light.

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