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    #11

    Re: to better understand vs to deeper understand

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexey86 View Post
    Sorry, GS, I don't follow you. Of course, better can't be a noun or a verb in that sentence.
    I've been trying to guide you towards saying that better is an adverb in sentence one.

    So, better can be an adjective and an adverb, while deeper is always an adjective. Correct. But we can say, "I want to quickly understand it" and "I want to understand it quickly." Why can't we say, "I want to early arrive home"?
    I'm sure a grammarian could derive a principle to apply. I can only say that one is natural and the other isn't.
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    #12

    Re: to better understand vs to deeper understand

    The reason that "better" works in sentence one is that it is an adverb derived from "good". We don't say "more goodly"!

    I want to understand it quickly > I want to quickly understand it
    I want to understand it deeply > I want to deeply understand it
    I want to understand it better > I want to better understand it

    There is no "-ly" adverb that means the same as "better".
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #13

    Re: to better understand vs to deeper understand

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    I've been trying to guide you towards saying that better is an adverb in sentence one.
    I see, thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoesStation View Post
    I'm sure a grammarian could derive a principle to apply. I can only say that one is natural and the other isn't.
    I added a question just before you replied: "Is it because early answers to the question when, not how?
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    Re: to better understand vs to deeper understand

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    Is it because "early" answers to the question "When ...", not "How ..."?
    Well, that is certainly true.
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    #15

    Re: to better understand vs to deeper understand

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexey86 View Post
    It functions as a noun: "Do you mean that (what? ->) better is an adverb..."

    Deeper
    also modifies the verb understand. Can we say, "I want to deeper understand it"?
    Notice that you got that answered in post #2.
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    #16

    Re: to better understand vs to deeper understand

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    Notice that you got that answered in post #2.
    At that point, I mistakenly thought that "better" and "deeper" shared the same properties.

    By the way, I made a mistake in my OP: I wrote "to deeply dive". I should've asked, "Why do you think we can't say, 'I want to early/earlier arrive home' or 'I want to deeper/deep dive in the river'?"

    We can put "better" before and after a verb. "Deep" as an adverb answers the question "How" as "better" does. Why can't we say, "I want to deep dive in the river"?
    Last edited by Alexey86; 28-Jun-2020 at 00:06.
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    #17

    Re: to better understand vs to deeper understand

    I don't know. Maybe it has something to do with the difference between deep and deeply.

    Is there a grammarian in the house?
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    #18

    Re: to better understand vs to deeper understand

    I've found the following distinction (https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/5268/how-deep-or-how-deeply):

    Deeply is an adverb of manner or degree, and is commonly used as an intensifier.
    Deep, when used as an adverb, is usually used as an adverb of place.
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    • She understands the concept deeply. (Deeply is being used as an intensifier or adverb of manner or degree.)
    • They are travelling deep underground. (Deep is being used as an adverb of place/location.)
    • You're going to need to dig deep. (Deep is being used as an adverb of place/location, and also as a resultative.)
    • How deep should I go? (Deep is being used as an adverb of place/location.)
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