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    #11

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    Quote Originally Posted by GoodTaste View Post
    The female speaker says:
    Would you like to know how to improve your English level in 4 days? Today, I will tell you an effective method. . . .
    I hate it.

    1. She's too lazy to spell out four.

    2. The word level is unnecessary and, in this case, meaningless. Wordiness wastes readers' time.

    3. The first sentence is ambiguous. Are we going to improve our English over a four-day period, or are we going to improve it four days from now? (The word Today clears it up, but it she shouldn't be using sentences that need clearing up.)

    4. The word tell is a poor choice.


    NOTE: It's better to only mention the sex (or age, ethnicity, or nationality) of a speaker when it matters.
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    #12

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    I agree with Charlie on this one. (He has really strong feelings about this one. )
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    #13

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    I agree with Charlie on this one. (He has really strong feelings about this one. )
    Urgo your judgement "the original is perfectly fine" is misleading.

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    #14

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    1. She's too lazy to spell out four.

    2. The word level is unnecessary and, in this case, meaningless. Wordiness wastes readers' time.

    3. The first sentence is ambiguous. Are we going to improve our English over a four-day period, or are we going to improve it four days from now? (The word Today clears it up, but it she shouldn't be using sentences that need clearing up.)

    4. The word tell is a poor choice.
    I have to disagree:

    1. I assume she was speaking, not writing.

    2. I think the word level is key here. The point is that the learner will jump from one particular level to another. In EFL, teachers and learners alike customarily work with the idea that proficiency is graded into discrete levels. She means that within four days of using this method, you will jump up to the next level.

    3. I don't think it's ambiguous at all.

    4. Okay, yes, this one I fully agree with!

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    #15

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    Quote Originally Posted by GoodTaste View Post
    Urgo your judgement "the original is perfectly fine" is misleading.
    If you have been reading this thread (which you started) you should know that I suggested explain (instead of tell).

    Now that I have seen jutfrank's post I agree with jutfrank.

    Urgo?
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    #16

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    Urgo?
    I'm guessing "ergo" was intended.
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    #17

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    I have to disagree:

    1. I assume she was speaking, not writing.

    I'll never know. But I'll join you in assuming.


    2. I think the word level is key here. The point is that the learner will jump from one particular level to another. In EFL, teachers and learners alike customarily work with the idea that proficiency is graded into discrete levels. She means that within four days of using this method, you will jump up to the next level.

    Good thought. Maybe that's possible. I just didn't think the word was necessary or helpful in an ad. But you're the pro. I couldn't teach a parrot to talk!


    3. I don't think it's ambiguous at all.

    I can read "in four days" both ways. I'm a literalist. It comes from years of fundraising, where nothing means no but "No."


    4. Okay, yes, this one I fully agree with!

    And you're not the only one!
    On we go. . . .
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    #18

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    ***Dialogues***

    GT: You were wrong to say that.
    Tarheel: For a Chinese person she expresses herself quite well.
    GT: But she's a teacher!
    Tarheel: We get questions from teachers all the time.

    GT: How can you agree with both Charlie and jutfrank?
    Tarheel: They come from different perspectives.
    GT: That's it?
    Tarheel: That's it.

    GT: Why do you make up these imaginary conversations?
    Tarheel: It's easy.
    GT: I didn't ask you that. I said why do you do it?
    Tarheel: Because I can.
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    #19

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    Quote Originally Posted by GoodTaste View Post
    Are you saying that the original two sentences ("Would you like to know how to improve your English level in 4 days?" and "Today, I will tell you an effective method no full stop here") are fine OK/correct/acceptable?
    Note my corrections above. We use "It's fine" in a declaratory sentence but very rarely in the interrogative.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    #20

    Re: an effective method to improve your English level

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Note my corrections above. We use "It's fine" in a declaratory sentence but very rarely in the interrogative.
    "Perfectly fine" was Tarheel's words and I quoted it to show how questionable his point was. So I think "OK/correct/acceptable" is not a good choice there.

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