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    "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

    A Chinese English teacher says:

    When using "beautiful" to modify "something", it should be placed behind it: "something beautiful" rather than "beautiful something". Why? English grammar books say it is simply a rule without reason. I'd say there is indeed some reason for doing so. Because "something" is composed of "some" and "thing", and "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing", so "beautiful" must be put behind it.

    Do you native English speakers think that he is right? This "reason" is faulty to me since two or more adjectives can be placed before a noun and modify it together.

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    #2

    Re: "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

    It's not an infallible rule. There are cases where a writer might choose to say "a beautiful something"; learners should not try this.

    I don't think it's useful to look for an explanation for adjective placement.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

    Quote Originally Posted by GoodTaste View Post
    I'd say there is indeed some reason for doing so. Because "something" is composed of "some" and "thing", and "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing", so "beautiful" must be put behind it.

    Do you native English speakers think that he is right?
    Who is 'he'? Do you mean you?

    No, you're not right, for several reasons, I think. For a start, some is not an adjective but a determiner.

    I wouldn't bother trying to analyse this if I were you. With regard to use, I think it will suffice to say that this kind of postposition of adjectives is confined to certain fixed and/or poetic expressions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpo...rs%20financial.

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    Re: "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

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    Who is 'he'? Do you mean you?
    Not me. He's a guy who said he's an offical English trainer of BOV.

    The original version is in Chinese and I translated it into English.

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    Re: "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

    Here are some numbers from Ngram.
    https://books.google.com/ngrams/grap...ething%3B%2Cc0

    I can honestly not follow the person's logic, but something beautiful is much more common.

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    Re: "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

    Quote Originally Posted by GoodTaste View Post
    an offical English trainer of BOV
    What is BOV?
    Typoman - writer of rongs

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    Re: "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    Here are some numbers from Ngram.
    https://books.google.com/ngrams/grap...ething%3B%2Cc0

    I can honestly not follow the person's logic, but something beautiful is much more common.

    Please post the graph here. Ngram is blocked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
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    Beijing Olympics Volunteers.

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    Re: "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

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    Beijing Olympics Volunteers.
    How did you expect international readers to know that?
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

    Here you go:Click image for larger version. 

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    Re: "some" as an adjective has occupied the place to modify "thing"

    "This beautiful something is fire":
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    Beauties of Classical English Poetry - Page 171


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