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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    How is my a pronoun? Surely that's not right?


    What reason do you have for thinking white is a noun phrase as opposed to an adjective phrase?
    "My" is a genitive personal pronoun. What else could it be?

    "White" is of course an adjective, not a noun. I've corrected my slip.

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

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    "My" is a genitive personal pronoun.
    Would you mind explaining this, please?

    I thought a pronoun must be able to substitute for a noun phrase. Is that not the definition of what a pronoun is?

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

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    What else could it be?
    A determinative?

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    A determinative?
    No: Its function is determiner, but its word class (part of speech) is pronoun.

    They are pronouns because all except "he" and "it" exhibit a distinction between dependent (my", "your" etc.) and independent forms ("mine", "yours" etc.) that is found only in personal pronouns (and the determinative "no")

    "My", "your" etc. are called 'dependent' forms because they require a following noun, while "mine", "yours" etc, are the 'independent' forms, which can of course occur alone.
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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

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    No: Its function is determiner, but its word class (part of speech) is pronoun.
    But my question is why anyone would class it as a pronoun. Is it because it can substitute for another noun (e.g. John's)?

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMatthews View Post
    They are pronouns because all except "he" and "it" exhibit a distinction between dependent (my", "your" etc.) and independent forms ("mine", "yours" etc.) that is found only in the personal pronouns (and the determinative "no")
    Okay, I hadn't seen this part when I made my last post.

    I'm not sure I follow. So what are the dependent/independent forms of the personal pronouns?

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    But my question is why anyone would class it as a pronoun. Is it because it can substitute for another noun (e.g. John's)?
    I've just edited by last answer to address that question.

    And of course they inflect for person (and gender in 3rd sing) which is typical of personal pronouns.
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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by krishnap View Post
    Thanks.
    the horizontal line you mention in bullet 4 must somehow be connected to the simple subjects (dog/cat), i feel. how is that done?

    NOT A TEACHER

    It is impossible for me to describe the process in words. But I have just remembered a website that gives hundreds of example diagrams. I think that you will find the answer among all the examples. Just google these words: german latin english.com (I do not know how to link. Sorry.)

    I am so glad that you are learning Reed-Kellogg!

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    A simplified tree for the OP's example could be like this:



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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    May I ask two more questions to you, PaulMatthews?

    1) EFL teachers tend to include 'determiner' as a part of speech. Is it fair to say that most schools of grammar do not do that?

    2) What part of speech is, say, the word this? Is it also seen as a pronoun, but with identical dependent and independent forms. How about articles? What part of speech is the word the?


    (Apologies to the OP and anyone else following this thread for my sidetracking.)

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