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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    That link doesn't work for me.
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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    May I ask two more questions to you, PaulMatthews?

    1) EFL teachers tend to include 'determiner' as a part of speech. Is it fair to say that most schools of grammar do not do that?

    2) What part of speech is, say, the word this? Is it also seen as a pronoun, but with identical dependent and independent forms. How about articles? What part of speech is the word the?


    (Apologies to the OP and anyone else following this thread for my sidetracking.)

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    May I ask two more questions to you, PaulMatthews?

    1) EFL teachers tend to include 'determiner' as a part of speech. Is it fair to say that most schools of grammar do not do that?

    2) What part of speech is, say, the word this? Is it also seen as a pronoun, but with identical dependent and independent forms. How about articles? What part of speech is the word the?


    (Apologies to the OP and anyone else following this thread for my sidetracking.)
    1) Here's what Geoff Pullum says about it:

    The term "determinative" for the category of words like articles, demonstratives, and quantifiers is at least as old as A Grammar of Spoken English on a Strictly Phonetic Basis by Harold E. Palmer and F. G. Blandford (1939), and they take it from the French "adjectif determinatif". And "determiner" doesn't seem ever to have been a clearly defined lexical category. Huddleston and I like the appealingly mnemonic suffixal parallels: "adjective" and "determinative" are both categories (word classes); "determiner" and "modifier" are both functions.

    It is most unfortunate that Quirk et al. used the terms the other way round; but they were needlessly going against Rodney Huddleston's earlier works, such as his Cambridge University Press textbook Introduction to the Grammar of English, and we are not aware of any precedent they were following.

    2) "This" is a demonstrative determinative. Its functions differ according to its use in the clause:

    DEPENDENT:

    [This formula] can't be right. [pre-head determiner]
    She is not usually [this late]. [degree modifier]

    INDEPENDENT:

    This can't be true. / All this is mine. ['fused' determiner-head]

    3) The articles like "the" are determinatives that generally (but not always) functions as a determiner.
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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by Piscean View Post
    That link doesn't work for me.

    I don't know why. I can see it clearly, whether I'm logged in or not.

    Can you see this:


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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Yes, I can. Thanks.
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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

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    It is impossible for me to describe the process in words. But I have just remembered a website that gives hundreds of example diagrams. I think that you will find the answer among all the examples. Just google these words: german latin english.com (I do not know how to link. Sorry.)

    I am so glad that you are learning Reed-Kellogg!
    Thanks. That helped. And I have an answer! Here is what I think it is (hope the image comes through). Pretty sure of it!
    Thank you everyone for the help
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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    NOT A TEACHER


    That diagram looks great.

    I was thinking of another way, but I shan't mention it, for I may be wrong.

    Would you please let us know what your son's teacher thinks about the diagram?

    (Wow! I envy your ability to post diagrams!)

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    NOT A TEACHER


    That diagram looks great.

    I was thinking of another way, but I shan't mention it, for I may be wrong.

    Would you please let us know what your son's teacher thinks about the diagram?

    (Wow! I envy your ability to post diagrams!)
    The whole challenge in this Covid situation is that live sessions are limited - that is why I had to find the answer myself ... The live sessions for this topic are already over, and he did not ask the question to the teacher, but mentioned to me :-O

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
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    That diagram looks great.

    I was thinking of another way, but I shan't mention it, for I may be wrong.

    Would you please let us know what your son's teacher thinks about the diagram?

    (Wow! I envy your ability to post diagrams!)
    >I was thinking of another way, but I shan't mention it, for I may be wrong.
    I modelled my diagram off this one below from the site you pointed out

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    Re: diagram same modifier modifying two simple subjects in a compound subect

    Quote Originally Posted by krishnap View Post
    Thanks. That helped. And I have an answer! Here is what I think it is (hope the image comes through). Pretty sure of it!
    Thank you everyone for the help
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    Are you seriously saying that this is the kind of diagram that is expected of your son, or one that you think is appropriate?

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