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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    The second one says Bill is as strong as John.
    That's why I asked 'Would 2a work if I compared two different people?'
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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexey86 View Post
    Would 2a work if I compared two different people?

    Strong as John is, Bill can lift it easily.
    No, that doesn't make sense. You'd need to preface the sentence with Being to have any chance of being understood. But anyway, don't.

    I've also found this example: As smart as she is, she is equally funny. (Huffington Post) Is it correct? I see no contrast here.
    Yes, there's no contrast there. That's a very unusual use of the pattern, but I can't say it's incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    "Sick as he is, he will want to go with you"
    Yes, that's a decent example, as it shows the contrast nice and clearly. Still, I'd prefer it with though in place of as.

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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post

    No, that doesn't make sense. What do you mean to compare?
    I compare John with Bill. Isn't Strong as John is, Bill can lift it easily equal to Being as strong as John is, Bill can lift it easily?
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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    No, that doesn't make sense. You'd need to preface the sentence with Being to have any chance of being understood. But anyway, don't.
    Do you mean the sentence doesn't make sense even with being, or what?
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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexey86 View Post
    Do you mean the sentence doesn't make sense even with being, or what?
    I meant that you'd need to say Being as strong as John is, Bill can lift it easily to have a chance of being understood.

    But anyway, don't was my way of telling you not to say that.

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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

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    But anyway, don't was my way of telling you not to say that.
    How should I change the sentence?
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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexey86 View Post
    How should I change the sentence?
    I assume you mean this:

    Bill can lift it just as easily as John can.

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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    I assume you mean this:

    Bill can lift it just as easily as John can.
    This variant is slightly different in meaning from the being one. To my ear, John can implies that John has in fact lifted it, while the being variant doesn't. Of course, I might be just hard of hearing. I'm just talking about your particular example. I understand that if someone replies 'I can' to 'Can you help me?', it doesn't imply this person has helped the one who asks before.
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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexey86 View Post
    Would 2a work if I compared two different people?

    Strong as he is, he can lift it -> Strong as John is, Bill can lift it easily.

    I've also found this example: As smart as she is, she is equally funny. (Huffington Post) Is it correct? I see no contrast here.
    I see no reason to strike out or find fault with Strong as he is, he can lift it, which sounds natural to me, as does Strong as he is, he can't lift it.

    Quirk et al. (A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language, 1985) say as-clauses with fronting can be concessive/contrastive or circumstantial.

    Their example of the concessive/contrastive variety is "Naked as I was, I braved the storm. ['Even though I was naked, . . .']" (Section 15.39, p. 1098).

    Their example of the circumstantial variety is Tired as they were, they went to bed as soon as they came back" (Section 15.47, p. 1107).

    The former example parallels the semantic relationships in Alexey's (1a) and (4a); the latter parallels the semantic relationships in his (2a) and (3a).

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    Re: Strong as he is (meanings)

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    I see no reason to strike out or find fault with Strong as he is, he can lift it, which sounds natural to me, as does Strong as he is, he can't lift it.
    But 'Strong as John is, Bill can lift it easily' is definitely wrong because both clauses must talk about one and the same person, right? Without 'being as', the first clause requires the second one to talk about John too.
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