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    was denied his access

    Are both my sentences correct, using the proper noun (Erin)? I am unsure about using the apostrophe 's'.
    I think it's correct when I use the pronoun.

    - The club denied Erin access to its membership files.
    OR The club denied Erin's access to its membership files.

    - The club denied her access to its membership files.
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    #2

    Re: was denied his access

    Access was denied to Erin. I think the possessive, "apostrophe s", is optional.
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    #3

    Re: was denied his access

    - The club denied Erin access to its membership files.

    - The club denied her access to its membership files
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    Those two are good. The 'her' is an object pronoun, not a possessive.
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    #4

    Re: was denied his access

    So, the pattern in that context is deny somebody something or deny something to somebody.

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    #5

    Re: was denied his access

    They're both correct, but I think the second implies that Erin had once had access to these files.

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    #6

    Re: was denied his access

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanlike View Post
    The club denied Erin's access to its membership files.
    That doesn't work for me. If you want to use "Erin's", then consider changing the verb to something like "blocked".

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    #7

    Re: was denied his access

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    That doesn't work for me.".
    Please help me to understand why it doesn't work for you.
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    #8

    Re: was denied his access

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanlike View Post
    Are both my sentences correct, using the proper noun (Erin)? I am unsure about using the apostrophe 's'.
    I think it's correct when I use the pronoun.

    - The club denied Erin access to its membership files.

    Good.

    OR The club denied Erin's access to its membership files.

    Bad.

    - The club denied her access to its membership files.

    Good.
    An apostrophe in Erin's would tell us something belongs to her. It would mean something is Erin's. Something is hers. It's a possessive.

    So in your sentence, that would not make sense.

    The pronoun her is not a pronoun for Erin's. It's a pronoun for Erin:

    - Who was denied access? Erin was denied access. She was denied access.

    - Whom did they deny access to? They denied access to Erin. They denied access to her.
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    Re: was denied his access

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanlike View Post
    Please help me to understand why it doesn't work for you.
    Take a look at entry #2 in this link to learn how "deny" is used.
    https://www.lexico.com/definition/deny

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