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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    "He would never think one day ..." doesn't work, and nor does "the mad songs of birds".

    He could never have imagined that, one day, he would be grateful for the cacophony of birdsong waking him up.
    You are great.

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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

    Quote Originally Posted by alpacinoutd View Post
    I was searching to find a word/phrase for the sound of birds before the dawn. I found "the dawn chorus". The dictionary says it's British English.

    How common is it? What is the American version?

    Is this correct and natural?

    The dawn chorus roused him from a nightmare he was having in his sleep.
    All the other suggestions are good, too.

    I wouldn't have known that the chorus you were talking about was birds.
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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    All the other suggestions are good, too.

    I wouldn't have known that the chorus you were talking about was birds.

    Doesn't "the dawn chorus" mean the sound of birds?

    The dictionary says it's British English.

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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

    Quote Originally Posted by alpacinoutd View Post
    Doesn't "the dawn chorus" mean the sound of birds?

    The dictionary says it's British English.
    This is the first time this American has heard it. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't use it.
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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

    Quote Originally Posted by alpacinoutd View Post
    Doesn't "the dawn chorus" mean the sound of birds?

    The dictionary says it's British English.
    In BrE, that is exactly what the dawn chorus is, specifically around sunrise.

    "The first singers in the dawn chorus will usually start singing about an hour before sunrise, with the chorus itself the loudest around 30 minutes on either side of rising of the sun."

    Source: The Scotsman
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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    In BrE, that is exactly what the dawn chorus is, specifically around sunrise.

    "The first singers in the dawn chorus will usually start singing about an hour before sunrise, with the chorus itself the loudest around 30 minutes on either side of rising of the sun."

    Source: The Scotsman
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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

    What's it called in the States?
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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

    Morning.
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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

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    Morning.
    Your term for the birds singing at dawn is "morning"? Really?
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    Re: the sound of birds before dawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    Morning.
    The poetry of that.

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