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    May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    1. May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.
    2. The students on duty help send down the workbooks, please.
    3. Students in the far back please help collect your workbooks to the front.
    4. Students on duty today please pass down the workbooks.
    (All the above sentences are quoted from Taiwanese teachers of English)
    https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Eng-Class/M.1...962.A.02D.html

    Which of the above sentences is not acceptable to native speakers?
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 23-Jan-2021 at 08:16.
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    Re: May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    1. May I ask the students in the far back to collect the workbooks of your row?
    2. The students on duty will send down the workbooks, please.
    3. Students in the far back please help collect your workbooks to the front.
    4. Students on duty today please pass down the workbooks.
    (All the above sentences are quoted from Taiwanese teachers of English)
    https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Eng-Class/M.1...962.A.02D.html

    Which of the above sentences is not acceptable to native speakers?
    Please note changes.

    I don't understand the use of "help" in those sentences. When you are helping somebody you are assisting them with something. In this case they are not helping. They are simply doing it.

    I didn't do anything with sentence #3 because it is unfixable.

    Sentence #4 is OK.

    You are asking them to collect the workbooks and take them to the teacher's desk, right?
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    Re: May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    I don't understand the use of "help" in those sentences. When you are helping somebody you are assisting them with something. In this case they are not helping. They are simply doing it.
    The word "help" is translated from the Classroom Chinese. Chinese speakers think those students help the teacher by collecting the workbooks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    You are asking them to collect the workbooks and take them to the teacher's desk, right?
    Yes.
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 23-Jan-2021 at 08:17.
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    Re: May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    Sitifan, you have been here long enough to know that "Classroom English" wasn't a suitable title for this thread. You weren't asking us anything about the phrase "Classroom English". I have changed your thread title so that it contains the whole of sentence 1. I also removed the prefix "Idiom" from the thread. This thread has absolutely nothing to do with idioms.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    1. May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.
    2. The students on duty help send down the workbooks, please.
    3. Students in the far back please help collect your workbooks to the front.
    4. Students on duty today please pass down the workbooks.
    (All the above sentences are quoted from Taiwanese teachers of English)
    https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Eng-Class/M.1...962.A.02D.html

    Which of the above sentences is not acceptable to native speakers?
    None of the sentences are natural as they stand.

    If you want to incorporate the idea of "help" that you previously explained, these would work:

    1. Can/Could/Would the students at the very back help me by collecting the workbooks from your row?
    2. Can/Could/Would the students on duty help me by sending down their workbooks, please?
    3. Students at the back! (shouting to get their attention) Please help me by collecting your workbooks and bringing them to the front.
    4. Students on duty today! (to get their attention) Please pass all the workbooks to the front.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    The word "help" is translated from the Classroom Chinese. Chinese speakers think those students help the teacher by collecting the workbooks.
    I clicked on the link and visited the website. Is it supposed to be for teachers or students?

    I am fairly sure there is no such thing as classroom English, but apparently there is such a thing as classroom Chinese.

    If you are translating directly from Chinese to English that is probably a bad idea.

    Some example sentences with help:

    Let me help you.
    May I help you with that?
    She helped me study.
    Would you help me with this?
    She helped him with his chores.
    Please help me put away the groceries.
    Last edited by Tarheel; 23-Jan-2021 at 14:33. Reason: Remove stray mark
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    Re: May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    I clicked on the link and visited the website. Is it supposed to be for teachers or students?
    I am fairly sure there is no such thing as classroom English, but apparently there is such a thing as classroom Chinese.
    Sorry. I don't know what your question means.
    1. May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row. (by rivervalley)
    2. The students on duty help send down the workbooks, please. (by rivervalley)
    3. Students in the far back please help collect your workbooks to the front. (by trixy212)
    4. Students on duty today please pass down the workbooks.
    (by trixy212)
    There are two sentences of classroom Chinese which have been translated into English by Taiwanese teachers.
    #1 and #3 are different translations of one Chinese sentence.
    #3 and #4 are different translations of the other Chinese sentence.
    Last edited by sitifan; 23-Jan-2021 at 14:39.
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    Re: May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    . . . I am fairly sure there is no such thing as classroom English, but apparently there is such a thing as classroom Chinese. . . .
    Aha! I was thinking Sitfan just meant they were things teachers say English class.

    I wonder what classroom Chinese is.
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    Sorry. I don't know what you mean.
    Tarheel wants to know what you mean by "classroom English." (I do, too!)

    There is no special kind of English called classroom English.

    Is there a kind of Chinese called classroom Chinese that is only used in school?

    Or when you use the term classroom English, do you mean things an English teacher in China might say?
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: May I ask the student in the far back help collect the workbooks of your row.

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    Sorry. I don't know what you mean.
    I clicked on the link in post #1 and looked at the page you posted a link to.

    You said you translated from classroom Chinese to classroom English.

    Anything else?
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