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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post

    Give me one good reason why I should help you.
    I'm speculating here. (I have no context, obviously.) The speaker doesn't like the other person and doesn't want to help them. The redundancy is perhaps on purpose (for emphasis).
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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tae-Bbong-E View Post
    Anyway the reason why I was not satisfied with someone's answer I received is that I somehow wanted to know why this [This is what I real am] is wrong.
    It sounds like you've figured this out, but I'll clarify in case other learners haven't made the connection.

    'Real' is an adjective. The adverb form is 'really'

    With the sentence 'This is what I real am', you're trying to modify the verb 'am' with the adjective 'real', which we can't do. You need an adverb to modify a verb.

    However, with 'This is the real me', the adjective 'real' is modifying the pronoun 'me', which of course is perfectly acceptable.
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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    I think members differ considerably in our tastes for reason why.

    Give me one good reason why I should help you.

    I wonder whether people think the above use is any more or less acceptable than any others.
    It looks perfectly natural to me. Is there something odd about it?
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarheel View Post
    I'm speculating here. (I have no context, obviously.) The speaker doesn't like the other person and doesn't want to help them. The redundancy is perhaps on purpose (for emphasis).
    Right. Or to be more exact, the person doesn't want to do what's requested.
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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    It looks perfectly natural to me. Is there something odd about it?
    Yes, I agree with you, Charlie, but several of our members don't like the use of reason and why together. In many cases, I share their distaste, but here I think it's okay. I was was just curious to know what others thought about this particular example.

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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    I detest every use of "reason why". It is "reason that".

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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    I detest every use of "reason why". It is "reason that".
    Not here though, right? That would be quite wrong, surely?

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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    Not here though, right? That would be quite wrong, surely?
    No, it would be right.

    Give me one good reason I should help you.
    Give me one good reason that I should help you.
    Give me one good reason why I should help you.

    I explain it to students by saying that "reason" is "explanation for why", so adding another "why" would be tautologous.
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    No, it would be right.

    Give me one good reason I should help you.
    Give me one good reason why I should help you.
    Give me one good reason that I should help you.

    I explain it to students by saying that "reason" is "explanation for why", so adding another "why" would be tautologous.
    This is interesting because I quite disagree.

    Give me one good reason I should help you.
    Give me one good reason why I should help you.
    Give me one good reason that I should help you.

    The key difference for me is that the word reason is used in two very different senses. When it means 'motivation', as is meant in the sentences above, I think it's okay to say reason why in some contexts. But when it means 'explanation', I don't like it and would strongly suggest using reason (that).

    Here's a pair that might better show the explanatory use:

    The reason that it keeps breaking is ...
    The reason why it keeps breaking is
    ...

    The 'motivation' use can also uniquely be expressed with the infinitive pattern reason to do something, which is probably what I'd suggest learners use anyway.

    Give me one good reason to help you.

    I realise this is topic drift but I feel it could be interesting/useful for members to discuss their thoughts on this.
    Last edited by jutfrank; 07-Mar-2021 at 13:26.

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    Re: This is the real me / This is what I real am.

    Topic drift.

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