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    When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    This is a monologue. I was checking my student's homework. He reads English to me every day and I check his pronunciation.

    When he read the sentence "How many students do you tutor right now?", he mispronounced the word "students". He pronounced the "ts" sound as "s". And then I said to him:

    When letter "t" and "s" together, they're pronounced like "ts" not "s".

    Is my sentence natural?

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    Re: When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverobama View Post
    This is a monologue. I was checking my student's homework. He reads English to me every day and I check his pronunciation.

    When he read the sentence "How many students do you tutor right now?", he mispronounced the word "students". He pronounced the "ts" sound as "s". And then I said to him:

    When the letters "t" and "s" are together next to each other in a word, they're pronounced like "ts" not "s".

    Is my sentence natural?
    See above.

    Is it a particular problem with the word "students" or does he omit the "t" every time a word ends (or contains) "ts"?
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    I hope you're not trying to get your student to pronounce a plosive aspirated /t/ in students. There is no plosion or aspiration in that /t/. Indeed, the final sounds of students are exactly the same as those of prudence.

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    Re: When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    Making the T stand out in nts is awkward and not necessary.

    More important is not making it sound like studenz.

    It will be interesting to see other opinions.

    PS: Why is this a monologue?
    I'm not a teacher. I speak American English. I've tutored writing at the University of Southern Maine and have done a good deal of copy editing and writing, occasionally for publication.

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    Re: When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    It was a monologue because I was commenting on his pronunciation. He made a tape (like the one I sent to you) and sent it to me.

    I wasn't telling him to pronounce a plosive aspirated t. Nor have I asked him to pronounce students as studenz.

    I asked him to pronounce the word like this.

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    Re: When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverobama View Post
    It was a monologue because I was commenting on his pronunciation. He made a tape (like the one I sent to you) and sent it to me.

    Thanks. I get it now. It was confusing because you didn't tell us what the pronoun This referred to. What you gave us looked like a dialogue.


    I wasn't telling him to pronounce a plosive aspirated t. Nor have I asked him to pronounce students as studenz.

    Excellent!


    I asked him to pronounce the word like this.
    All of them say styoodents. In the US, most people say stoodents.
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    Re: When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    Using terms like "monologue" and "dialogue" in threads like this isn't really helping. You're not writing a play and, most of the time, it's clear from your post if you've been having a conversation with someone.
    This thread should have just started "One of my students sent me a recording of him speaking English and I noticed that he fails to pronounce the "t" at the end of "students"."
    Remember - if you don't use correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing, anything you write will be incorrect.

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    Re: When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Using terms like "monologue" and "dialogue" in threads like this isn't really helping.
    It isn't necessary in this case, no. Silver has mentioned this information because I asked him to make the context of the sentences he asks about as clear as possible. My request was that when the target sentence is uttered as a direct response to what somebody has said immediately prior, we need to know what that immediately prior sentence is. I asked Silver to write a mini-dialogue in such cases. Mentioning in this thread that the context is a 'monologue' is Silver's way of explaining why he hasn't written a mini-dialogue.

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    Re: When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    Quote Originally Posted by jutfrank View Post
    It isn't necessary in this case, no. Silver has mentioned this information because I asked him to make the context of the sentences he asks about as clear as possible. My request was that when the target sentence is uttered as a direct response to what somebody has said immediately prior, we need to know what that immediately prior sentence is. I asked Silver to write a mini-dialogue in such cases. Mentioning in this thread that the context is a 'monologue' is Silver's way of explaining why he hasn't written a mini-dialogue.
    Aha. I get it now.

    Calling that dialogue a monologue didn't really help. It was just perplexing. We can recognize monologues and dialogues without being told.
    Last edited by Charlie Bernstein; 29-Apr-2021 at 13:04.
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    Re: When letter "t" and "s" are together....

    When three consonants are together in a cluster like 'studeNTS' then it is natural to drop/omit the middle consonant. This means for many people, this words does sound like 'studens'. However, in careful speech the the /t/ will be there. We just don't notice it much before the plosive sound (puff of air) is hidden by the /s/.

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