How long, since when and how long did.

Status
Not open for further replies.

tufguy

VIP Member
Joined
Feb 4, 2014
Location
India
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Hindi
Home Country
India
Current Location
India
We ask "How long have you been doing something?" or "Since when have been doing something?" However, do we also ask "Since when did someone start doing something?"

For example "Since when did you start investing in the share market?"
 

GoesStation

No Longer With Us (RIP)
Joined
Dec 22, 2015
Member Type
Interested in Language
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
No. Use "since" with an activity that lasts some length of time. Starting to do something is instantaneous: at one moment you aren't doing it; then you start; now you're doing it. You could say Since when do you invest in the stock market?
 

Tarheel

VIP Member
Joined
Jun 16, 2014
Member Type
Interested in Language
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
You should delete "Since" in your example sentence.

Do they call it a share market in India?
 

tufguy

VIP Member
Joined
Feb 4, 2014
Location
India
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Hindi
Home Country
India
Current Location
India
No. Use "since" with an activity that lasts some length of time. Starting to do something is instantaneous: at one moment you aren't doing it; then you start; now you're doing it. You could say Since when do you invest in the stock market?

Is "Since when you do something" the same as "Since when have you been doing something"?

Do we use "Since when do you do something" for something that someone has been doing over a period of time?
 

Tarheel

VIP Member
Joined
Jun 16, 2014
Member Type
Interested in Language
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
Is "Since when you do something" the same as "Since when have you been doing something"?

I wouldn't use either one.

Do we use "Since when do you do something" for something that someone has been doing over a period of time?

Could you post an example sentence of that usage?

Perhaps:

How long has it been since you were in school?
 

tufguy

VIP Member
Joined
Feb 4, 2014
Location
India
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Hindi
Home Country
India
Current Location
India
Perhaps:

How long has it been since you were in school?

Jonatha: I invest in stock market.

Jim: You never told me that. "How long do you invest in stock market?" Or " How long have you been investing in stock market?"
 

probus

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jan 7, 2011
Member Type
Retired English Teacher
Native Language
English
Home Country
Canada
Current Location
Canada
Jonathan I invest in the stock market.

Jim: You never told me that. "How long do you invest in stock market?" :cross:Or "How long have you been investing in the stock market?":tick:
:)
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Tarheel

VIP Member
Joined
Jun 16, 2014
Member Type
Interested in Language
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
Tufguy, when responding to something we don't normally repeat everything the person said. (See below.)

Jon: I invest in the stock market.
Jim: Really? How long have you been doing that?
 

Charlie Bernstein

VIP Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2009
Member Type
Other
Native Language
English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
We ask, "How long have you been doing something?" or "Since when have you been doing something?" However, do we also ask, "Since when did someone start doing something"?

For example: "Since when did you start investing in the stock market?"
Yes.

"When?" and "Since when?" mean different things.

"When?" is a simple question:

- When is dinner?
- When did you get home?

"Since when?" strongly implies surprise or, sometimes, anger:

- Since when do you smoke cigars?
- Since when do you care where I go after work?
 

Charlie Bernstein

VIP Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2009
Member Type
Other
Native Language
English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
Is "Since when did you do something?" the same as "Since when have you been doing something"?

No. You know about continuous verbs.


Do we use "Since when do you do something" for something that someone has been doing over a period of time?

Yes.
Again, "Since when" tells us you're surprised. Don't use it if you're not.
 

Tdol

No Longer With Us (RIP)
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
Japan
Do we use "Since when do you do something" for something that someone has been doing over a period of time?

Only if we have only just learned and/or are surprised.
 

emsr2d2

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 28, 2009
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
UK
Only if we have only just learned and/or are surprised.

That's certainly how it's most often used in BrE.

Helen: I won my tennis tournament on Sunday.
Sarah: Since when did you play tennis?!

The tone of voice would make it clear that Sarah had no idea that Helen even played tennis, let alone that she was good enough to win a tournament. The tone of voice and the words used are what result in the interrobang (a question mark and an exclamation mark together) in the written version.
 

tufguy

VIP Member
Joined
Feb 4, 2014
Location
India
Member Type
Student or Learner
Native Language
Hindi
Home Country
India
Current Location
India
That's certainly how it's most often used in BrE.

Helen: I won my tennis tournament on Sunday.
Sarah: Since when did you play tennis?!

The tone of voice would make it clear that Sarah had no idea that Helen even played tennis, let alone that she was good enough to win a tournament. The tone of voice and the words used are what result in the interrobang (a question mark and an exclamation mark together) in the written version.

So we can either say "Since when do someone do something?" or "Since when did someone do something?". Am I correct?

Does using "do" and "did" make any difference?
 

emsr2d2

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 28, 2009
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
UK
So we can either say "Since when do someone do something?" or "Since when did someone do something?" no full stop here Am I correct?

Does using "do" and "did" make any difference?

Well, of course, "do" can't be used before "he/she/it". I would say that the present tense is more likely in the surprise version.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top