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  1. mhl
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    logical relationship

    What's the author's idea about the neighbours and the police? I can't really understand the logical relationship between the following sentences---"Neighbours came in to staunch the bleeding. They called out to the police to allow paramedics to attend to the women. The police stood off for more than an hour 'conducting a risk assessment'."


    (context: Do you remember the incident in Henley when a deranged man shot his ex-wife and sister-in-law at a barbecue, then fled the scene? Neighbours came in to staunch the bleeding. They called out to the police to allow paramedics to attend to the women. The police stood off for more than an hour "conducting a risk assessment".)

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    Re: logical relationship

    Quote Originally Posted by mhl View Post
    What's the author's idea about the neighbours and the police? I can't really understand the logical relationship between the following sentences---"Neighbours came in to staunch the bleeding. They called out to the police to allow paramedics to attend to the women. The police stood off for more than an hour 'conducting a risk assessment'."
    (context: Do you remember the incident in Henley when a deranged man shot his ex-wife and sister-in-law at a barbecue, then fled the scene? Neighbours came in to staunch the bleeding. They called out to the police to allow paramedics to attend to the women. The police stood off for more than an hour "conducting a risk assessment".)
    I'd never heard the original barbecue story, but I found the article to which you're referring: Telegraph | Comment | In 1966, they refused to sue& not now
    It appears that what happened was a deranged/disgruntled man with a gun shot two people at a barbecue. He then fled the scene, but the police did not know that he had left. Some neighbors came in to assist the bleeding victims, and those neighbors called out to the police when they arrived to allow paramedics to enter the house. However, the police had to follow standard procedure; without knowing for sure if the gunman was still inside, they were unwilling to send medical help inside. "Risk assessment" means they had to consider the unknown factors: was the gunman inside forcing the neighbors to call for help, thus luring paramedics into a trap? If he was, in fact, still inside, there was the possibility that in addition to the two women already injured, medical and law enforcement personnel could also be shot. It's a decision no one wants to make - do we let two women die in favor of saving other lives? Do we take a chance of getting more people killed?
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    And about "call out to the police to do sth". Does "call out to sb" mean "telephone sb."? If it does, then I think it should be "call the police". In addition, "call out " can be followed by a direct object, why "to" was added after "call out" here?

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    The police were present at the time. They could be seen by the neighbours who were trying to help the victims. They called out to the police (shouted at them) to let the paramedics through the police cordon. In the end, because the police were reluctant to do this for the reasons already mentioned the victims died, which caused the controversy.

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    (context:
    Do you remember the incident in Henley when a deranged man shot his ex-wife and sister-in-law at a barbecue, then fled the scene? Neighbours came in to staunch the bleeding. They called out to the police to allow paramedics to attend to the women. The police stood off for more than an hour "conducting a risk assessment".
    The officer in charge reasoned that the murderer might be forcing the neighbours to lure the police into a trap. )

    What does "trap" refer to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joyapple View Post
    (context:
    Do you remember the incident in Henley when a deranged man shot his ex-wife and sister-in-law at a barbecue, then fled the scene? Neighbours came in to staunch the bleeding. They called out to the police to allow paramedics to attend to the women. The police stood off for more than an hour "conducting a risk assessment".
    The officer in charge reasoned that the murderer might be forcing the neighbours to lure the police into a trap. )

    What does "trap" refer to?
    The police didn't know whether or not the gunman was still inside the house. They thought it was possible that the gunman was inside, pointing his gun at the neighbors, and forcing them to call out for help. Their cries would lure the police inside the house, where the gunman would shoot them. That's the "trap" that could have existed, although the police later found out it didn't. The gunman had actually already left the house.

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    Where are the neighbours? in the house or outside? If in the house, they can go out, because no gunman came to stop them. Therefore neighbours can meet the police face to face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joyapple View Post
    Where are the neighbours? in the house or outside? If in the house, they can go out, because no gunman came to stop them. Therefore neighbours can meet the police face to face.
    The neighbors are inside the house. They probably cannot leave because they are attending to the wounded victims as best they can - they are applying pressure to their bullet wounds so that they don't bleed to death, and perhaps are propping their heads up to keep their airways clear so that they can breathe. Even if they call out to the police that everything is OK, the gunman has left, the police don't know for sure that the gunman isn't inside forcing them to say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joyapple View Post
    Where are the neighbours? in the house or outside? If in the house, they can go out, because no gunman came to stop them. Therefore neighbours can meet the police face to face.
    The police, and the neighbours were on the horns of a dilemma.

    https://www.usingenglish.com/referen...a+dilemma.html

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    Re: logical relationship

    It appears that what happened was a deranged/disgruntled man with a gun shot two people at a barbecue.
    Is this sentence OK ?
    Shouldn't it be:

    It appears that what happened was that a deranged/disgruntled man wounded, with a gun shot, two people at a barbecue.

    or

    It appears that what happened was that a deranged/disgruntled man wounded two people at a barbecue with a gun shot,.

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