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    "Any person, while awaiting trail, is considered innocence until he or she has been declared guilty."

    innocence should be inocent? But I googled and found concsidered innocence. After considered, an ajective should come, a noun shouldn't?

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    Re: considered

    You're right; those Google hits were either typos or non-native speakers.

    There is a phrase 'presumed innocence'; there is also the phrase 'presumed innocent'. (And if two innocent people were involved they could - at the risk of great confusion - be referred to as 'the presumed innocents' ). All this might have caused the confusion that led to your Google hits.

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    Thanks Bobk, I feel "he is considered inoccent" simple and good, but is it correct to say that "he is cnosidered an innocent man?"

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    Re: considered

    Either. Of the two, I'd slightly prefer 'he is considered an innocent man' - if you mean that people really think he hasn't done anything wrong. But if you mean that in a particular instance nothing has so far been proved against him, I'd prefer 'presumed innocent'; it's a collocation that's very widely used, with a legalistic meaning that isn't quite the same as 'considered an innocent man'.

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    Re: considered

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    "Any person, while awaiting trail, is considered innocence until he or she has been declared guilty."

    innocence should be inocent? But I googled and found concsidered innocence. After considered, an ajective should come, a noun shouldn't?
    Some of those Google entires are errors, but some are correct. The verb "consider" can act like a linking verb, one that takes a predicate adjective or predicate nominative (noun), when it means "deemed to be".

    When you say a man is considered innocent, you are linking the adjective "innocent" to "man".

    In another sentence "Ignorance of the law is not considered innocence", the noun "innocence" is linked to the subject.

    It all depends on what meaning is intended.

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    Re: considered

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    Some of those Google entires are errors, but some are correct. The verb "consider" can act like a linking verb, one that takes a predicate adjective or predicate nominative (noun), when it means "deemed to be".

    When you say a man is considered innocent, you are linking the adjective "innocent" to "man".

    In another sentence "Ignorance of the law is not considered innocence", the noun "innocence" is linked to the subject.

    It all depends on what meaning is intended.
    - hadn't thought of that.

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    Thank you very much, Bobk and MikeNewYork.

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    Re: considered

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    - hadn't thought of that.

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    You often come up with things I hadn't considered. That's why there are many people here.

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    Thank you very much, Bobk and MikeNewYork.
    You're welcome.

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