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    have / had passed away

    In the 5th silent prayer, we pray for our family members who had passed away and for all our ancestors so that they will be able to attain true happiness.

    Should 'had' (in bold) be replaced by 'have'?

    Thank you very much.


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    Re: have / had passed away

    Quote Originally Posted by kohyoongliat View Post
    In the 5th silent prayer, we pray for our family members who had passed away and for all our ancestors so that they will be able to attain true happiness.

    Should 'had' (in bold) be replaced by 'have'?

    Thank you very much.
    Hello Kohyoongliat,

    'have' means "up to now", while 'had' means "up to then", 'then' being a, usually specific point in time in the past.

    Both would work because the family members praying for the deceased faimliy members would obviously include all of them even if a 'had' was used.

    But usually in English when we collectivize something/a group of people in this fashion, it often has a current relevance, so we normally choose the "up to now" collocation using 'have + PP'.

    It means we do this everytime we say the 5th silent prayer.

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    Re: have / had passed away

    Many thanks for your detailed reply.

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