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    Which one is correct pls.

    My boss objected me in the letter where I had written :

    "Trust this is sufficed".

    He cut out this line and wrote "Trust this suffices".

    What is the difference between the two.

    Thanks

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    Re: Which one is correct pls.

    Rajan, as you know, suffice means to meet present needs or requirements. It can function as a verb or a as participle, both sufficed and sufficing. However, in the context given suffice functions as a main verb; its subject is singular.

    Long form: I trust this meets your needs.
    Short form: Trust this suffices.

    Hope that helps.


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    Re: Which one is correct pls.

    You could write:

    trust this has sufficed + not is
    has -past is - present

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    Re: Which one is correct pls.

    Very nice call. Welcome, darenridgway.

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    Re: Which one is correct pls.

    Thanks teacher you have always been helpful to me. And thank to darenridgway too.

    But further I have one more question. If it can function as participle then Trust this is sufficed will be OK. Am I right ?


    Quote Originally Posted by darenridgway View Post
    You could write:
    trust this has sufficed + not is
    has -past is - present

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    Re: Which one is correct pls.

    I'm not 100% sure, rajan, so this could be wrong. "is suffied", to me, is synonymous with is satisfied; used in combinations, is sufficed with, met with satisfaction; is sufficed for, is satisfactory for. Here are two examples I fulled off the Net. There were many more.

    Ex: When my knightly stomach is sufficed. <is satisfied>

    Ex: Although the amount of chloride required by plants for photosynthesis is sufficed by extremely small concentrations, high rates of chloride have notably ...

    I wonder of we're looking at the passive here, the present passive? (I haven't had to time to check)

    Back to your example, numbered [1] below, I get the meaning in [2]:

    [1] I trust this is sufficed.
    [2] *I trust this is satisfied. <it sounds odd to me>

    Let's see what others have to say? I, for two, would like to know what people think when they hear [1].

    Great question!

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    #7

    Re: Which one is correct pls.

    My very first impression (I haven't had time to think about it) is that 'Trust this has sufficed' is complete, whilst 'trust this is sufficed.....' needs 'by.......'. I would use 'I trust this has sufficed'.


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    But further I have one more question. If it can function as participle then Trust this is sufficed will be OK. Am I right ?
    In the right circumstances, it is correct. In this circumstance I am not so sure, as it hinges on what 'this' refers to.

    If 'this' refers to the problem, and you have solved it, you could describe the problem as 'sufficed' (passive) because it has received you actions.

    If 'this' refers to your actions, then they cannot be 'sufficed' but instead have to 'suffice' (active) because you are actor.

    To follow Casiopea's parallel, compare:-

    "I hope this is satisfied" (the receiver is satisfied, has received satisfaction))
    "I hope this is satisfactory" (the action is satisfactory, has caused satisfaction)

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    Re: Which one is correct pls.

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    ...
    Ex: When my knightly stomach is sufficed. <is satisfied>
    Ex: Although the amount of chloride required by plants for photosynthesis is sufficed by extremely small concentrations, high rates of chloride have notably ...
    ...
    I know there are loads more, but the first (I'd guess) is Shakespeare - Falstaff? - and the second one sounds to me like the sort of long-word-favouring word-mongering beloved of scientists; what it means is
    'Although plants need [only] very small amounts of chloride for photosynthesis, high rates of chloride have notably ...': fewer words, and clearer. In the first, I say 'that is Shakespeare' not because Shakespeare is wrong; but his character (Falstaff - a lazy, fat, ignorant wastrel) might well be making a mistake; I think the word he's looking for is 'satiated'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Whitehead View Post
    ...
    To follow Casiopea's parallel, compare:-
    "I hope this is satisfied" (the receiver is satisfied, has received satisfaction))
    "I hope this is satisfactory" (the action is satisfactory, has caused satisfaction)

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    Re: Which one is correct pls.

    Well from my perspective in the original sentence.

    "Trust this is sufficed" - this is the passive of the verb
    "Trust this suffices" - this is the active verb form

    The second is correct.

    Matt

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