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    And?

    They have innocence, love and? affection, pleasure, and self-contentment.

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    Re: And?

    I don't understand what your question is.

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    Re: And?

    I think the question is 'What is this extra and doing in the middle of the list?'

    The answer is that there is one list, and in that list 'love and affection' is an item:

    • innocence [something they each had]
    • love and affection [things they shared, feelings for each other]
    • pleasure [another thing they had together, but not just pleasure in each other]
    • self-contentment [something they each had]


    A list without the first and wouldn't have the same connotations.

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    Re: And?

    Quote Originally Posted by mykwyner View Post
    I don't understand what your question is.
    Dear Mykwyner,

    Many thanks for dropping in, and taking some of your very precious time out for me.

    I mean is it correct to put and between "love" and "affection"?


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    Re: And?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    I think the question is 'What is this extra and doing in the middle of the list?'

    The answer is that there is one list, and in that list 'love and affection' is an item:
    • innocence [something they each had]
    • love and affection [things they shared, feelings for each other]
    • pleasure [another thing they had together, but not just pleasure in each other]
    • self-contentment [something they each had]

    A list without the first and wouldn't have the same connotations.

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    Oh! So nice of you, Bob. I am so grateful to you for giving me a hand with this.

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    #6

    Re: And?

    Bob nailed it perfectly (as always), Asad. Nice to talk to you again, keep up the good work.


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    Re: And?

    Quote Originally Posted by mykwyner View Post
    Bob nailed it perfectly (as always), Asad. Nice to talk to you again, keep up the good work.
    Yes, but he didn't olny nail it, he clarified the whole thing to me.

    Nice to talk to you too.

    With best wishes,

    AH

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    Re: And?

    Too kind - glad I could help.

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    Re: And?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    I think the question is 'What is this extra and doing in the middle of the list?'

    The answer is that there is one list, and in that list 'love and affection' is an item:
    • innocence [something they each had]
    • love and affection [things they shared, feelings for each other]
    • pleasure [another thing they had together, but not just pleasure in each other]
    • self-contentment [something they each had]

    A list without the first and wouldn't have the same connotations.

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    What connotations would they have without the first "and"?

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    Re: And?

    I've been thinking about that. I think it's more important that 'love and affection' is a fixed phrase (often pronounced as if it was a single word - /lʌvənəˈfekʃən/).

    But generally, where an 'extra' and is included during a list it refers to a stronger relationship between those two items: For breakfast he had orange juice, toast and butter, bacon, and tea. [The butter went his toast, it was not just another ingredient of his breakfast.]

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