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    had better

    You had better ask permission.

    I can't understand this sentence.

    Could anyone explain it please?

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    Re: had better

    You should ask permission.
    Ask permission first (or you might wish you had).
    You ought to ask permission.
    Ask permission before proceeding.
    Ask permission!



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    Re: had better

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    You should ask permission.
    Ask permission first (or you might wish you had).
    You ought to ask permission.
    Ask permission before proceeding.
    Ask permission!

    All the above sentence which you have given indicates (present or future tense)

    But my sentene (you had better ask perssion) indicates past tense.

    So I am confused.

    Could you again clarify it please?

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    Re: had better

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    You should ask permission.
    Ask permission first (or you might wish you had).
    You ought to ask permission.
    Ask permission before proceeding.
    Ask permission!
    Why not "ask for"? I would want to use "ask for" with all those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dihen View Post
    Why not "ask for"? I would want to use "ask for" with all those.
    You can ask for something. For example, you might ask for time off from work. However, we ask permission (to do something). We ask a question.

    Ask for:
    a favor
    a loan
    money
    a kiss
    a present
    advice
    etc.
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    Re: had better

    I wonder if "ask for permission" is acceptable informally.
    `
    Google results:
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    about 1,100,000 for "ask permission"
    about 878,000 for "ask for permission"
    `
    The difference is less than half.

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    #7

    Re: had better

    Quote Originally Posted by user_gary View Post
    All the above sentence which you have given indicates (present or future tense)

    But my sentene (you had better ask perssion) indicates past tense.

    So I am confused.

    Could you again clarify it please?
    From Practical English Usage-Michael Swan:
    Had better refers to the immediate future, but the form is always past (have better is impossible). After had better we use the infinitive without to.
    It's late-you had better hurry up.
    (NOT...you have better...)
    (NOT You had better hurrying/to hurry...)

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    Re: had better

    Quote Originally Posted by dihen View Post
    I wonder if "ask for permission" is acceptable informally.
    `
    Google results:
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    about 1,100,000 for "ask permission"
    about 878,000 for "ask for permission"
    `
    The difference is less than half.
    Usage certainly is changeable. Go ahead and ask for permission if you want to.


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    #9

    Re: had better

    Quote Originally Posted by queenbu View Post
    From Practical English Usage-Michael Swan:
    Had better refers to the immediate future, but the form is always past (have better is impossible). After had better we use the infinitive without to.
    It's late-you had better hurry up.
    (NOT...you have better...)
    (NOT You had better hurrying/to hurry...)
    That is good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    Usage certainly is changeable. Go ahead and ask for permission if you want to.
    Do you think saying "ask for permission" would be like saying "request permission"?

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