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    first and second conditon

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    Sometimes we forget this principle. We ask, "If I plant beans today, what will I get back tomorrow?" The answer is: "Wet bean seeds." The Law of the Seed says, "You plant today and harvest later." Plant beans now, and pick beans in four months. Fred says, "If I enjoy school, then I would really work hard.But I don't like it, so I don't work." Wrong, Fred! You only start to enjoy it AFTER, not BEFORE, you put in the work. That's when you start to feel good about it. In other words, effort first, harvest second.
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    The passage above is from an English text book for high schoolers in Korea.

    What I am wondering is whether If I enjoy school, then I would really work hard." is grammatically correct or not.
    Is it grammatically correct when a first conditional and a second conditional are mixed?

    I think it should be corrected like If I enjoyed school, I would really work hard or If I enjoy school, I will really work hard.

    What do you think?
    Last edited by siruss; 11-Apr-2007 at 12:28.


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    Re: first and second conditon

    In my opinion, i think using 'enjoy' rather than 'enjoyed' increase or open the possibility of enjoying school. so i think, yes; 1st and 2nd conditionals can be mixed.

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    #3

    Re: first and second conditon

    For North American English, would doesn't sound all that clear in meaning in that context. Let's see what our British English speakers have to say.


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    Re: first and second conditon

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    For North American English, would doesn't sound all that clear in meaning in that context. Let's see what our British English speakers have to say.

    What do you mean by 'would doesn't sound all that clear in meaning in that context'?

    You mean if I enjoy school, I would work hard is grammatically or semantically incorrect , or at least it has an ambiguous meaning?

    If I enjoy school I would work hard sounds very awkward to me.
    I really don't think the sentence is correct.

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    Re: first and second conditon

    And I agree with you. Here's what I expect to read or hear:

    Ex: If I enjoyed school, I would... <2nd>
    Ex: If I enjoy school, I will... <1st>

    The text example If..enjoy,...would reads awkward to me. It's not modal in that context like, for example,

    Ex: If I enjoy school, then I should... <future>
    Ex: If I enjoy school, then I could... <future>

    It's hypothetical would,

    Ex: If I were to enjoy school, I would...

    Mind you, the more I read the mix If...enjoy,...would, the more I want to believe it and find a meaning for it, but my brain tells me otherwise and, moreover, I can't seem to find a source, reliable or otherwise, that mixes would with 1st and 2nd conditionals. Let's wait to see what other speakers have to say. It's a good topic for discussion.

    All the best.


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    Re: first and second conditon

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    And I agree with you. Here's what I expect to read or hear:

    Ex: If I enjoyed school, I would... <2nd>
    Ex: If I enjoy school, I will... <1st>

    The text example If..enjoy,...would reads awkward to me. It's not modal in that context like, for example,

    Ex: If I enjoy school, then I should... <future>
    Ex: If I enjoy school, then I could... <future>

    It's hypothetical would,

    Ex: If I were to enjoy school, I would...

    Mind you, the more I read the mix If...enjoy,...would, the more I want to believe it and find a meaning for it, but my brain tells me otherwise and, moreover, I can't seem to find a source, reliable or otherwise, that mixes would with 1st and 2nd conditionals. Let's wait to see what other speakers have to say. It's a good topic for discussion.

    All the best.

    I've enjoyed reading many of your explanations so far.
    Even though you are a native English speaker,
    your approach is careful and you are open-minded.
    I think highly of your attitude.
    I'm looking forward to more replies, too.

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    #7

    Re: first and second conditon

    The possibilities are:

    1.If I were to enjoy school, then I would really work hard.
    2.If I enjoy school, then I work really hard.
    3.If I enjoyed school, I would really work hard.
    4.If I enjoy school, I will really work hard.
    5.If I enjoy school, then I would really work hard.

    Somehow, only (5) doesn't sound correct to me. (5) only sounds correct to me if it has the same meaning as (1), but does it?

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