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    None with a singular verb here?

    Can the grammar in this exchange possibly be correct?

    "Oh, I don't want to even think about that."
    "None of us does, Pat replied.

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    Re: None with a singular verb here?

    I believe so

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    Re: None with a singular verb here?

    In this case, is none standing in for "not one of us?" Is that why you think a singular verb is necessary?


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    Re: None with a singular verb here?

    Yes, that's the idea.

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    Question Re: None with a singular verb here?

    Thanks so much, all. But "None of us does" sounds so very strange. How do I decide when to discount the phrase just before the verb---in this case, of us---and go by "none?" If the phrase had been the deciding factor, then a plural verb would have been necessary.


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    Re: None with a singular verb here?

    Quote Originally Posted by gjo123 View Post
    Thanks so much, all. But "None of us does" sounds so very strange. How do I decide when to discount the phrase just before the verb---in this case, of us---and go by "none?" If the phrase had been the deciding factor, then a plural verb would have been necessary.
    I agree with you, and I would write "none of us do" because you are talking about 'no member of this group' - 'us'.

    None is not the same as no-one, which means 'no individual' - he, she, or it


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    Re: None with a singular verb here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Whitehead View Post
    I agree with you, and I would write "none of us do" because you are talking about 'no member of this group' - 'us'.

    None is not the same as no-one, which means 'no individual' - he, she, or it

    All I could find was:
    "When an expression of quantity is the subject, the verb agrees with [the noun/pronoun in the of-phrase]" but it does not mention "none". Examples:
    All of the book was interesting
    All of the books were interesting

    Andrew may have something! I need to see it to believe it though

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    Re: None with a singular verb here?

    Usage note from the Oxford Dictionary of English:

    Quote Originally Posted by ODE
    It is sometimes held that none can only take a singular verb, never a plural verb: none of them is coming tonight rather than none of them are coming tonight. There is little justification, historical or grammatical, for this view. None is descended from Old English nan meaning 'not one' and has been used for around a thousand years with both a singular and a plural verb, depending on the context and the emphasis needed.

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    Re: None with a singular verb here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnstorm View Post
    Usage note from the Oxford Dictionary of English:
    Thanks for weighing in Dawnstorm!
    I deduce from your source that my example (& source) should include "none" (based on "emphasis and context"), which means gjo123 is right! My only reservation is the "None is descended from Old English nan meaning 'not one'", which makes me want to research more!
    Fiona

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