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    Before Or After

    Hi , usingenglish mates!How you doing? I hope you be in good condition.

    I have been absent from you for being busy with some familial circumstances and works .As you do know , life is “ups and downs” for everyone.Anyway, I hope to be in contact with you, pals,as possible as I can.

    Kindly, my questions be corrected :

    Q-Which is correct?As I know that modifiers in English precede the modified element .However, I think there are some exceptions concerning this case.
    I translted an Arabic text as :
    --The pottery bowl was not burnt very well.
    But, the archeaologist replaced it with :
    --The pottery bowl was not very well-burnt.
    Both of us are non-English native speakers?
    Who is correct ?
    Thank you in advance,

    :)

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    Hi Ayed! Welcome back.
    I'm not a teacher, so please consider any advice I give in that context.

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    Re: Before Or After

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayed
    Hi , usingenglish mates!How you doing? I hope you be in good condition.

    I have been absent from you for being busy with some familial circumstances and works .As you do know , life is “ups and downs” for everyone.Anyway, I hope to be in contact with you, pals,as possible as I can.
    Welcome back!

    Kindly, my questions be corrected :

    Q-Which is correct?As I know that modifiers in English precede the modified element .However, I think there are some exceptions concerning this case.
    I translted an Arabic text as :
    --The pottery bowl was not burnt very well.
    But, the archeaologist replaced it with :
    --The pottery bowl was not very well-burnt.
    Both of us are non-English native speakers?
    Who is correct ?
    Thank you in advance,

    :)
    There are many cases in which modifiers come after the word they modifiy.

    Your example is a case of a predicate adjective after a linking verb. Your first sentence is an example of the passive voice, formed by [to be] + [past participle]. Some one or something burned the pottery bowl. It could be "The pottery bowl was not burnt very well by the potter." Your second example, IMO, changes that to a predicate adjective, using the participle to describe the pot.

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    Re: Before Or After

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayed
    Hi , usingenglish mates!How you doing? I hope you be in good condition.

    I have been absent from you for being busy with some familial circumstances and works .As you do know , life is “ups and downs” for everyone.Anyway, I hope to be in contact with you, pals,as possible as I can.

    Kindly, my questions be corrected :

    Q-Which is correct?As I know that modifiers in English precede the modified element .However, I think there are some exceptions concerning this case.
    I translted an Arabic text as :
    --The pottery bowl was not burnt very well.
    But, the archeaologist replaced it with :
    --The pottery bowl was not very well-burnt.
    Both of us are non-English native speakers?
    Who is correct ?
    Thank you in advance,

    :)
    I would say:
    • The pottery bowl was not burned very much.

    That is the way I would put it if the burning was not considered a good thing, which is usually the case.

    :)

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    Re: Before Or After

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayed
    Hi , usingenglish mates!How you doing? I hope you be in good condition.

    I have been absent from you for being busy with some familial circumstances and works .As you do know , life is “ups and downs” for everyone.Anyway, I hope to be in contact with you, pals,as possible as I can.

    Kindly, my questions be corrected :

    Q-Which is correct?As I know that modifiers in English precede the modified element .However, I think there are some exceptions concerning this case.
    I translted an Arabic text as :
    --The pottery bowl was not burnt very well.
    But, the archeaologist replaced it with :
    --The pottery bowl was not very well-burnt.
    Both of us are non-English native speakers?
    Who is correct ?
    Thank you in advance,

    :)
    I would say:
    • The pottery bowl was not burned very much.

    That is the way I would put it if the burning was not considered a good thing, which is usually the case.

    :)
    That's a good point. I had assumed it was part of the process of creating the bowl. :wink:

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    Re: Before Or After

    thank you all.

    which is the best to choose?

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    Re: Before Or After

    thank you all
    shokran lukom

    :P

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    Re: Before Or After

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayed
    thank you all
    shokran lukom

    :P
    You're welcome.

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    Wouldn't the bowl be 'fired' rather than 'burnt' if you're referring to the process of making it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    Wouldn't the bowl be 'fired' rather than 'burnt' if you're referring to the process of making it.
    That sounds better, doesn't it?

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