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    Unhappy To proven or not to proven

    I have come across this expression:

    "there is no shame in learning from what has proven to work elsewhere"

    my gut feeling says it should be "has been proven" because prove is a transitive verb?

    Any comments please.

    Thanks

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    Re: To proven or not to proven

    Yes and no; the active form can be used, though the underlying idea is passive.

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    Re: To proven or not to proven

    Quote Originally Posted by RuthOU View Post
    I have come across this expression:

    "there is no shame in learning from what has proven to work elsewhere"

    my gut feeling says it should be "has been proven" because prove is a transitive verb?

    Any comments please.

    Thanks
    Would you have less of a problem with that sentence if it read: "there is no shame in learning from what has proved to work elsewhere"? If something 'proves to work' it just 'turns out/happens to work'; there's no strong implication of 'proof' - no person in a white coat demonstrating what is true.

    There is a tendency today to apply a rule "simple past - proved. past participle - proven"; for all I know, some people may have been taught that. But although this would make a consistent rule of thumb it doesn't reflect usage. People use either form for either function.

    b

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    Correction:

    proved - either simple past or past participle
    proven - past participle
    Last edited by BobK; 26-Apr-2007 at 13:53. Reason: PS added

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